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kookbreaker said:
1 did. The rest?
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Yes, 30 years is definitely way more than he deserves but I can understand how they got there. At the point he started obstructing the investigation it turned into conspiracy to help them cover up the shooting.

I'm sure it'll get lessened on appeal but aiding and abetting a crime is no joke.
 
plague311 said:
Yes, 30 years is definitely way more than he deserves but I can understand how they got there. At the point he started obstructing the investigation it turned into conspiracy to help them cover up the shooting.

I'm sure it'll get lessened on appeal but aiding and abetting a crime is no joke.
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No joke, maybe. But its also interesting that he got 8 years more than the longest sentence for Jan 6thers...or is trying to overthrow the government "just a joke"?
 
kookbreaker said:
No joke, maybe. But its also interesting that he got 8 years more than the longest sentence for Jan 6thers...or is trying to overthrow the government "just a joke"?
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Bah they needed more guns to really do the job properly if they had been armed and properly attacking we would have finally had the second amendment doing what it is for, political violence.
 
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kookbreaker said:
No joke, maybe. But its also interesting that he got 8 years more than the longest sentence for Jan 6thers...or is trying to overthrow the government "just a joke"?
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You won't get an argument from me. I think the J6ers should have received significantly harsher penalties than they got.

The comparison is a little tough because at the time you had a flooded DOJ that was trying to prosecute thousands of defendants and the DOJ was handing out plea bargains left and right.

I didn't catch it in the article and I haven't looked it up, but did the defendants in this case take a plea or did they go to trial and got the punishment handed down by the judge?
 
plague311 said:
You won't get an argument from me. I think the J6ers should have received significantly harsher penalties than they got.

The comparison is a little tough because at the time you had a flooded DOJ that was trying to prosecute thousands of defendants and the DOJ was handing out plea bargains left and right.

I didn't catch it in the article and I haven't looked it up, but did the defendants in this case take a plea or did they go to trial and got the punishment handed down by the judge?
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Looks like they all went through trial.

Honestly you seem to be trying to run interference for these sentences. Sure the guy doing shooting could be seeing quite some time in prison but 100 years seems deliberate attempt at intimidation. Several members weren't even part of the group and as I noted one guy you are giving allowance of a 30 year sentence due to "obstruction"....from this administration?
 
kookbreaker said:
Looks like they all went through trial.

Honestly you seem to be trying to run interference for these sentences. Sure the guy doing shooting could be seeing quite some time in prison but 100 years seems deliberate attempt at intimidation. Several members weren't even part of the group and as I noted one guy you are giving allowance of a 30 year sentence due to "obstruction"....from this administration?
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I'm just throwing out my experiences from being tried and convicted\taken a plea bargain myself, and the dozens of cases I've watched. If you take a plea bargain you're pretty much guaranteed a lighter sentence because that's the nature of the deal. The state saves money by not having to prosecute and the defendant gets a lighter sentence. Shooting law enforcement will always, always, always be punished as harshly as it can be as a deterrent, so you're right there. It was intimidation.

I legit don't even know what the guy who got pegged for 30 years got charged with. It was just an off-the-cuff comment. This administration trying anyone is top notch hypocrisy and I'm not saying all of the charges are right and wrong. I'm just not surprised that the DOJ came at them with their full chest. I'm not sure it would be different if the administration were Democrat.
 
plague311 said:
I'm just throwing out my experiences from being tried and convicted\taken a plea bargain myself, and the dozens of cases I've watched. If you take a plea bargain you're pretty much guaranteed a lighter sentence because that's the nature of the deal. The state saves money by not having to prosecute and the defendant gets a lighter sentence. Shooting law enforcement will always, always, always be punished as harshly as it can be as a deterrent, so you're right there. It was intimidation.
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We don't know if this administration even offered plea deals. Given their salivation at punishing these people no matter what I have my doubts they were offered anything worth taking. This was an attempt to strike fear not into potential shooters, but anyone protesting ICE.

plague311 said:
I legit don't even know what the guy who got pegged for 30 years got charged with. It was just an off-the-cuff comment. This administration trying anyone is top notch hypocrisy and I'm not saying all of the charges are right and wrong. I'm just not surprised that the DOJ came at them with their full chest. I'm not sure it would be different if the administration were Democrat.
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They obviously shopped this to a sympathetic MAGA judge given the sentences handed out. Stop running interference for them, there is no way a Democratic DOJ would have pushed for 100+year sentencing for a non-lethal shooting.
 
kookbreaker said:
They obviously shopped this to a sympathetic MAGA judge given the sentences handed out. Stop running interference for them, there is no way a Democratic DOJ would have pushed for 100+year sentencing for a non-lethal shooting.
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We'll have to disagree. I think no matter who the administration is under if someone shot at, and hit, a cop they'd be getting as much time as possible. No matter how you shake it, it's attempted murder of a federal law enforcement officer.

Mind you, I'm not running interference for anyone but if you're ballsy enough to pull the trigger with a law enforcement officer in your crosshairs then you have to be prepared to do a lot of hard time. I'll have to read up on it some more because I'm not sure if they got sentenced for the full 100 years or if they are eligible for parole or if they get time off for good behavior, etc. Outside of the 100 year sentence I believe the sentencing was harsh, and I agree it was to make an example out of them to other protesters. The good news is there are legal remedies for that, and I hope the defendants take advantage of every opportunity they have.
 
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Andy_Ross said:
Texas anti-ICE protesters convicted of terrorism charges sentenced to at least 50 years in prison
Activists accused of being part of antifa get long prison terms in case seen as test of Trump’s crackdown on dissent

A group of Texas protesters convicted of terrorism charges received unusually harsh sentences of at least 50 years in prison on Tuesday in a closely watched case that was widely seen as a test case of the Trump administration’s efforts to crack down on dissent.

After a three-week jury trial, the nine activists were all found guilty of a slew of criminal charges in March, stemming from a Fourth of July protest at an immigrant detention facility in Alvarado, Texas, south of Fort Worth

www.theguardian.com

Texas anti-ICE protesters convicted of terrorism charges sentenced to at least 50 years in prison

Activists accused of being part of antifa get long prison terms in case seen as test of Trump’s crackdown on dissent
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The docket for United States v. Arnold (4:25-cr-00259) is online. Most of those documents have been paywalled, but the jury's verdict is not, and a number of documents have been made available for download while I was writing this. The docket's summaries describe the sentences, starting with document 564.

What follows is my attempt to put some of that information into a more readable summary form.

The nine defendants, as numbered within the court documents, are:
  1. Cameron Arnold (aka Autumn Hill)
  2. Zachary Evetts
  3. Benjamin Hamil Song
  4. Savanna Batten
  5. Bradford Morris (aka Meagan Morris)
  6. Marcela Rueda
  7. Elizabeth Soto
  8. Ines Soto
  9. Daniel Rolando Sanchez Estrada
Some or all of them were charged with these twelve numbered counts:
  1. Riot
    Defendants 1 through 8 were found guilty. Defendant 9 (Estrada) was apparently not charged.
  2. Providing material support to terrorists
    Defendants 1 through 8 were found guilty. Defendant 9 (Estrada) was apparently not charged.
  3. Conspiracy to use and carry an explosive
    Defendants 1 through 8 were found guilty. Defendant 9 (Estrada) was apparently not charged.
  4. Use and carry an explosive
    Defendants 1 through 8 were found guilty. Defendant 9 (Estrada) was apparently not charged.
  5. Attempted murder of officers and employees of United States
    Defendants 1, 2, 3, 5, and 6 were found not guilty. The others were apparently not charged under Count 5.
  6. Attempted murder of officers and employees of United States
    Defendants 1, 2, 3, 5, and 6 were found not guilty. The others were apparently not charged under Count 6.
  7. Attempted murder of officers and employees of United States
    Defendants 1, 2, 3, 5, and 6 were found not guilty. The others were apparently not charged under Count 7.
  8. Discharging a firearm during or in relation to a crime of violence
    Defendant 3 (Benjamin Song) was found guilty. Defendants 1, 2, 5, and 6 were found not guilty.
  9. Discharging a firearm during or in relation to a crime of violence
    Defendant 3 (Benjamin Song) was found guilty. Defendants 1, 2, 5, and 6 were found not guilty.
  10. Discharging a firearm during or in relation to a crime of violence
    Defendant 3 (Benjamin Song) was found guilty. Defendants 1, 2, 5, and 6 were found not guilty.
  11. Corruptly concealing a document or record
    Defendant 9 (Daniel Rolando Sanchez Estrada) was found guilty. No others were charged.
  12. Conspiracy to conceal documents
    Maricela Rueda and Daniel Rolando Sanchez Estrada were found guilty. No others were charged.
Brief summary of prison sentences, to run consecutively, but to run concurrently with any sentencing on state charges:
  1. Cameron Arnold (aka Autumn Hill)
    600 months (50 years)
  2. Zachary Evetts
    600 months (50 years)
  3. Benjamin Hamil Song
    1200 months (100 years)
  4. Savanna Batten
    600 months (50 years)
  5. Bradford Morris (aka Meagan Morris)
    600 months (50 years)
  6. Marcela Rueda
    840 months (70 years)
  7. Elizabeth Soto
    600 months (50 years)
  8. Ines Soto
    (joint restitution, but I'm not seeing a prison sentence; see below)
  9. Daniel Rolando Sanchez Estrada
    360 months (30 years)
Two judges (Pittman and O'Connor) were ultimately involved in the sentencing, and the cases were handed back and forth in a confusing manner. That might have something to do with why I couldn't find a prison sentence for Ines Soto.
 
steenkh said:
Why are so many of the charges identical?
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The second superseding indictment is freely available online.

Counts 5, 6, and 7 (Attempted murder of officers and employees of United States) involved alleged attempts to murder three different officers, with a separate count for each of the three. All five of those charged under those counts were acquitted.

Counts 8, 9, and 10 (Discharging a firearm during or in relation to a crime of violence) involved alleged discharges of a firearm during the alleged attempts to murder the three different officers as charged in counts 5, 6, and 7, so count 8 corresponds to count 5, count 9 to count 6, and count 10 to count 7. Benjamin Song was found guilty on those three counts, while the other four charged under those counts were acquitted.
 
That's curious. Counts 8, 9 and 10 are discharging a firearm during a crime of violence, and counts 5, 6 and 7 are the crime of violence. How strange that Song could be found guilty of discharging a firearm during a crime, when he was found not guilty of that crime.
 
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ICE Tracks Down Woman to Force Her to Delete Instagram Post

Federal agents confronted a poll worker on Election Day because they were upset about her social media posts.
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Two ICE agents harassed a poll worker on Election Day, demanding she remove social media posts they claimed threatened federal agents.

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She believes the investigation was prompted after she shared a news article in January identifying Jonathan Ross, the ICE agent who shot and killed Renee Good. “I think today is a great day for Jonathan to be indicted,” she wrote in the caption.
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Benny Johnson
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NYC Mayor Mamdani Just Announced He Will REFUSE to Comply With the U.S. Supreme Court Ruling to DEPORT 350,000 Haitians.

This Communist should not be able to defy the federal government without consequences.

Haitians were granted TEMPORARY Protected Status 15 years ago.

It's time for them to go back.

America has the right to decide who should be allowed to be in the country.

video in link
 
Andy_Ross said:
Benny Johnson
@bennyjohnson
NYC Mayor Mamdani Just Announced He Will REFUSE to Comply With the U.S. Supreme Court Ruling to DEPORT 350,000 Haitians.

This Communist should not be able to defy the federal government without consequences.

Haitians were granted TEMPORARY Protected Status 15 years ago.

It's time for them to go back.

America has the right to decide who should be allowed to be in the country.

video in link
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"But mah States Rights...!!" /s
 
The_Animus said:
newrepublic.com

ICE Tracks Down Woman to Force Her to Delete Instagram Post

Federal agents confronted a poll worker on Election Day because they were upset about her social media posts.
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Even by the standards of what is happening in america today, this is a bit shocking.

Its probably the work of some low-level yahoos (as opposed to the high-level idiots who run the dept) who thought they could intimidate someone with a furrin' sounding name rather than a department-wide initiative to clamp down on critics but its scary to think there are people who think this kind of authoritarian behaviour is acceptable.
 
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