Apollo 11 Moon Landing Revisited: Hoax ~vs~ Debunk

[JayUtah]

They went though up to 20,000 miles of extreme radiation...

No.

...in a thin-walled aluminium spacecraft

No.

...a highly irradiated Moon surface.

No.

Even if any of that were true, it would all be irrelevant once they have splashed down. There is zero risk of radiation at that point.

It is a wonder they lived to a ripe old age, with Aldrin still going strong in his 90's.

Since you have previously been corrected on all the predicate points you raise, Aldrin's health is not whose you should be worried about.

 

[Vixen]

My engineers do not. My accountants certainly do not. You make far too many "typos" for people in my line of work.

Sheesh, what would you like me to do, commit harakiri live on the forum..?

It is not as though I didn't correct the error by return.

 

[Vixen]

No.


No.


No.

All of that is irrelevant once they have splashed down. There is zero risk of radiation at that point.


Since you have previously been corrected on all the predicate points you raise, Aldrin's health is not whose you should be worried about.

Boom boom!

 

[JayUtah]

Sheesh, what would you like me to do, commit harakiri live on the forum..?

No, I would like you to properly inform yourself before attempting debate on the points you're raising, especially where precise quantities are concerned. You make far too many errors to be taken seriously. You still can't manage the difference between 1/250 second and 15 seconds.

 

[JayUtah]

Boom boom!

Was that meant to be a serious answer or are you suffering some sort of episode?

 

[Reformed Offlian]

They went through up to 20,000 miles of extreme radiation aka the Van Allen belts in a thin-walled aluminium spacecraft, and also stepped on a highly irradiated Moon surface. It is a wonder they lived to a ripe old age, with Aldrin still going strong in his 90's.

NASA had already recovered two command modules that had been to the moon and back, for missions Apollo 8 and 10.

Both the US and the Soviets had sent unmanned probes to the surface of the moon previously.

The astronauts wore dosimeters that were monitored throughout the mission.

When it came to the recovery crews' radiation exposure risk, there were no significant unknowns.

 

[Mojo]

Literary licence. Stars may not twinkle...

Yes, they do, on Earth. But not on the Moon.

 

[Andy_Ross]

Boom boom!

Out go the lights!

 

[Reformed Offlian]

Was that meant to be a serious answer or are you suffering some sort of episode?

An episode of "Welcome Back, Kotter", perhaps?

 

[JayUtah]

NASA had already recovered two command modules that had been to the moon and back, for missions Apollo 8 and 10.

And NASA successfully landed five subsequent crews on the Moon and recovered them. It's quite natural to focus a lot of attention on Apollo 11. Its place in history cannot be exaggerated. But in terms of evidence for authenticity, all the relevant missions must be considered.

When it came to the recovery crews' radiation exposure risk, there were no significant unknowns.

When it came to the recovery crews' radiation exposure risk, there were no significant sources. The worst they could expect is UVA radiation from the sun giving them a mild suntan.

@Vixen improperly compares protocols for contamination with protocols for irradiation. The Apollo crews and equipment were irradiated by solar radiation and GCR. This does not make them radioactive. There is almost no danger of radiological contamination. which is what Vixen was trying to allude to, and which would require decontamination protocols at splashdown. Aside from the special (irrelevant) case of neutron activation, the notion that things become radioactive—and subsequently dangerous to others—by merely being irradiated is nonsense.

 

[Reformed Offlian]

Fussing about 'germs' doesn't sound serious; it's rather like your mum sprinkling Dettol in the bath...because of.... 'germs'.

That *still* doesn't answer my question: Why is the lack of extensive decontamination procedures during recovery ops suspicious?

 

[W.D.Clinger]

'Pitch black' is an absolute. 'Very pitch black' was hyperbole to bring this home. A Quora source confirms this is the situation in the Moon shade.

Petroleum-derived pitch is black in colour, hence the adjectival phrase "pitch-black". (The footnote on that sentence cites the Oxford English Dictionary.)

Pitch is a black substance, to be sure, but its color is not an absolute black. Vantablack, for example, is blacker than pitch.

Inasmuch as you began your statement by claiming pitch black is an absolute, I see no reason to believe your uncited claim of an unnamed Quora author's authority ( ) either.

 

[Foster Zygote]

The Artemis II crew aren't stripped and redressed.

Neither were any of the Apollo crews after the quarantine protocol was abandoned.

As for radiation, I would have thought that was as big - if not more - a health concern for the individuals involved. Remember, two of the astronauts had been prancing about on the Moon.

As already explained to you multiple times, being exposed to ionizing radiation doesn't make you radioactive. The radiation exposure was a concern for mission planners, but the physicists and engineers involved determined that it was a small, and very much manageable risk.

 

[Thermal]

All of that is irrelevant once they have splashed down. There is zero risk of radiation at that point.

Well in fairness they might get sunburned?

Since you have previously been corrected on all the predicate points you raise, Aldrin's health is not whose you should be worried about.

The burns are strong in this thread.

 

[Jack by the hedge]

'Pitch black' is an absolute. 'Very pitch black' was hyperbole to bring this home. A Quora source confirms this is the situation in the Moon shade.

The devil is in the detail of the question you posed and in your interpretation of their answer.

Jay already explained the lighting situation very clearly a long way back in the thread and described how only down close to the ground, where little surrounding lit ground was visible, would it have been truly pitch dark in the shadows. You may even have read his post, though it is impossible to tell.

In the specific case of the Apollo astronauts standing on the moon, there was nowhere they stood, or could have stood, where they would be in pitch blackness. They could always see lit moonscape, and it could shed its light on them.

But for the umpteenth time it is irrelevant since their cameras were incapable of photographing stars, and they were not tasked with doing so. I can write this bit again if it helps.

 

[Jack by the hedge]

Fussing about 'germs' doesn't sound serious; it's rather like your mum sprinkling Dettol in the bath...because of.... 'germs'.

I can imagine the whole population of earth would have been mightily reassured if, in 1969, you had been the spokesperson NASA put forth to explain why they had decided not to bother with any quarantine for the first humans to return from visiting another celestial body.

 

[Foster Zygote]

Radiation risk is surely a bigger one than 'germs'.

Not once they got back to the surface of the earth, it wasn't.

In any case, meteorites and asteroids from space frequently hit the earth.

Can you explain what that has to do with your radiation claim?

 

[Jack by the hedge]

Was that meant to be a serious answer or are you suffering some sort of episode?

I think it's the famous double sonic boom of explanations flying over Vixen's head, repeatedly.

 

[GlennB]

That's exactly why very early lunar morning was chosen.
Any other time would have seen extremes of temperature in which their blood would have boiled or, conversely, frozen solid. But the direction of light isn't affected by heat. So the angle of sunlight on the Moon is exactly the same as on the Earth; i.e., 15° on the Earth is 15° on the Moon, or on Mars or on Planet X. (Assuming a perfect globe, ceteris paribus.)

That's almost funny. Almost.

eta: Or is it self-parody? It's hard to tell sometimes.

 

[Foster Zygote]

Just because the lunar day lasts apx 29 Earth days, doesn't mean its early morning sunrise isn't similar in terms of light thrown as the sun comes up over the horizon.

Wrong. The crepuscular lighting effects we observe are due to the atmosphere.