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Apollo 11 Moon Landing Revisited: Hoax ~vs~ Debunk

Poser for you: do the Moon and Earth count as planets in this 'inner system'? Had I left out the 'hundreds of thousands' people would be baying for blood.
1. You never mentioned the moon in your original post, you were talking about the distances between Venus, the Earth and Mars (and possibly Jupter).

2. The moon is not counted as a planet
 
And today absolute reams of the original documentation are available and are being actively pored over by practicing engineers who naturally are really, really interested in this stuff. If it's fake, sooner or later you're going to see that it's fake. But if someone can, say, get the original plans for the computer, actually build one from scratch, and actually run the software on it, it's really hard to argue that Apollo never would have worked or that modern engineers wouldn't know if it did or not.
Haven't people (or a person) successfully made FPGA emulators of the Apollo guidance computers and succesfully run them?
 
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Haven't people (or a person) successfully made FPGA emulators of the Apollo guidance computers and succesfully run them?
Yes, the same team that restored an actual AGC. And a gate-accurate version. And he has also read out the core ropes of most of the existing defunct AGCs.
 
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We do have to acknowledge the obvious difference in that daylight on Earth includes blue-sky diffuse illumination. We count on this to fill in light in shaded and shadowed areas. And if we're paying careful attention to our photography, we know that this light is hue-shifted toward blue and preferentially filled with UVA wavelengths, so we take precautions.

Because we're used to this on Earth, we tend to think that all indirect light is the result of this sky fill. That's actually far from true. Reflected light from surfaces is also responsible for quite a lot of shadow and shade fill. You can demonstrate this to lay people using studio lights, etc. But experienced photographers have already figured it out. They know how to fill in shadows using white or silver panels to reflect light diffusely into places where it's needed. My set designs for theater have to account for lighting reflecting off the stage floor or set walls.

Although the front of the lunar module was facing directly away from the sun, you can see the shaded side in photos because it's 7 meters tall and thus has a view factor to the sunlit lunar surface to the north and south of the LM's shadow. The lunar surface preferentially retroflects, so you get even more light.

Shadow is different. To be accurate, shade is what happens when a surface is facing away from light sources. No light from the light source reaches it directly, so it's shaded. Shadow is what happens when something is between a surface and a light source. Sometimes the difference matters and sometimes it doesn't. But both require the viewer to understand the concept of view factors.

Shadows cast in sunlight onto the lunar surface often don't have a view factor to any other lit surface. This is because the shadowed surface is flat ground with a view factor only to the black sky, the sun being obscured by the object casting the shadow. Sometimes the shaded side of the shadow-casting object will be indirectly lit, and this indirect light will fall further indirectly into the shadow. But this wasn't enough, for example in the LM, to allow detail in the LM's shadow to be easily photographed. The earthshine photo just posted above illustrates this—not only that, but earthlight is optically significant on the lunar surface. Earth was waning gibbous during the Apollo missions.

But when you go to photograph a shadow, it's possible for you to be the fill. If you're standing over a limited shadowed area, and you yourself are sunlit, you can provide shadow fill. This didn't happen too often in Apollo photography; most shadows are, in fact, pitch black. This is because the side of you that's facing the shadow is usually your shaded side. If I shoot directly down-sun, the shaded side of my suit is facing the shadow. Any fill into the shadow would need to be a double diffuse reflection: surface to suit and back to surface.

Here's Aldrin carrying some equipment.

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Obviously fake.
In his left hand is the Apollo 11 Passive Seismic Experiment Package (PSEP) system [which]weighed 47.7 kg on Earth.
In his right hand is the Laser Ranging Retroreflector (LRR) :
The classic arrays left on the Moon by Apollo 11 and 14 weigh about 37.6 kg

So he’s carrying over 85kg with his arms away from his body. Also, why is he leaning to the right, when the equipment in that had is 10kg lighter than than in his left hand? /CT Idiocy
 
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Obviously fake.
In his left hand is the Apollo 11 Passive Seismic Experiment Package (PSEP) system [which]weighed 47.7 kg on Earth.
In his right hand is the Laser Ranging Retroreflector (LRR) varies significantly depending on its design and mission:
The classic arrays left on the Moon by Apollo 11 and 14 weigh about 37.6 kg
So he’s carrying over 85kg with his arms away from his body. Also, why is he leaning to the right, when the equipment in that had is 10kg lighter than than in his left hand? /CT Idiocy


Aha, but you're forgetting that the air pressure in the suit makes it so that his arms are forced to be extended no matter what. Completely logical!
 
Aha, but you're forgetting that the air pressure in the suit makes it so that his arms are forced to be extended no matter what. Completely logical!
Damn. I neglected buoyancy. But…
There is practically no air pressure on the Moon’s surface, so the air in the suit would have been heavier than the Moon’s atmosphere, so would make the astronaut’s pressure suit heavier on the moon than in the earth’s highly pressured atmosphere. So nyah /CT Idiocy
 
For goodness sake, it was a generalised comment in which I considered all eventualities such
as different cultures using different measures both historically and colloquially but as they say, no good deed goes unpunished. It really doesn't change the thrust or substance of what was being conveyed.
What culture would interpret "hundreds of thousands of miles" as "millions of miles"? Who exactly were you trying to make things clearer to? Specifics please.
 
I'm not expecting a coherent sensible answer, but it's fun to see Vixen climb down a rabbit hole of nonsense trying to defend her gibberish. It's clear that Vixen simply had no idea of the scale of the solar system, so it would never occur to her that blurting out "hundreds of thousands of miles" for how close the planets get, is WAY off by orders of magnitude.

But because of her pathological difficulty in admitting error, she has to invent excuses for her continual basic errors, it's clear that she did not actually say "hundreds of thousands of miles" because Brits or Americans "use different measures both historically and colloquially".

No-one in Britain or America has ever used "hundreds of thousands" to mean millions or tens of millions. There is no historical or colloquial measuring system that makes her claim make any sense.
 
This is why @Vixen can never do my payroll.

“Hey Jenny in communications, do you get $60,000 a year or $60 million a week?”
I can only imagine the kind of communications between her and her innumerate creative bosses. $60,000 is apparently meaningless to them, $60,000K and $60K mean the same thing and “hundreds of thousands” can mean “tens of millions” because of weird colloquialisms no-one else has ever heard of.
 
I wonder how many times Vixen has used non-existent “colloquialisms” to excuse her mistakes and ignorance? Edit: While searching the forums, I came across a post of Vixen’s where she described herself as a “professional numbersmith.” That’s funny.
 
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I wonder how many times Vixen has used non-existent “colloquialisms” to excuse her mistakes and ignorance? Edit: While searching the forums, I came across a post of Vixen’s where she described herself as a “professional numbersmith.” That’s funny.
Makes perfect sense to me. A smith makes stuff. Fabricates stuff.
Vixen fabricates numbers.
 
I can only imagine the kind of communications between her and her innumerate creative bosses. $60,000 is apparently meaningless to them, $60,000K and $60K mean the same thing and “hundreds of thousands” can mean “tens of millions” because of weird colloquialisms no-one else has ever heard of.
Being a “numbers person” Is so very exhausting.
 

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