Merged (edited) General thoughts about Christianity and the bible

[P.J. Denyer]

I would put my money on "home-schooled by a pigeon.

Really, Rusty, this thread is full of information that is new to you, even though the letters used to write that new information are not.

(Besides, 26 letters? A little too parsimonious, don't you think? Add another three, å, ä, and ö, and you will get wondrous new words with your wondrous new letters! Or why not go completely crazy, and try out a logographic alphabet? Or use phonetics!)

It was clearly a particularly dull pigeon.

 

[Jack by the hedge]

Right.
Rearranging existing material.
Call it new if you like. Still just a rearrangement.

Tell me next week's lottery numbers please. They'll be an arrangement of the digits which already exist, so nothing new.

 

[Jack by the hedge]

Ignore?
The "new information" you presented was a random rearrangement of existing material.

A random NEW arrangement of existing material.

 

[Carrot Flower King]

Who's going to introduce Rusty to Scottish or Irish Gaelic?

Or Welsh?

Or those thieving Finns, who nicked all the Welsh vowels?

 

[Jack by the hedge]

... Rusty, this thread is full of information that is new to you, even though the letters used to write that new information are not.

(Besides, 26 letters? A little too parsimonious, don't you think? Add another three, å, ä, and ö, and you will get wondrous new words with your wondrous new letters! Or why not go completely crazy, and try out a logographic alphabet? Or use phonetics!)

Wait. How did Swedish get more than 26 letters? Are they some kind of mutation? How could that introduce anything new?

 

[jimbob]

Have we reached 'playing chess with a pigeon' yet?

I see you beat me to it

 

[Rusty Tyler]

It's the Fripp/Bruford/Wetton line up for me, with obvious added David Cross and Jamie Muir, culminating in the utterly explosively inimitable Red.

I heard a version of Red that Fripp played with Daryl Hall.

 

[Helen]

Wait. How did Swedish get more than 26 letters? Are they some kind of mutation? How could that introduce anything new?

Oden allfadern, understandably, loved us more than he loved the rest of you, so he magicked three more letters into the world, just for us! So what the Swedish chef actually sinsgs is "Bårk, bårk, bårk"!

 

[jimbob]

So if I were to write a book tomorrow, it could never present any new information?

Only by an utterly eccentric definition that has no merit.

I guess it is a bit ironic that such a definition , doesn't give any information that allows one to understand anything better.

 

[jimbob]

Meany!

Just because you were found out in a flagrant disregard for not reversing your Widmerpool's inverse isosceles and then doubled down on it by trying to make a lateral shift out of turn and jump from Enfield High Street to Denmark Hill without stopping at Onslow Gardens! Heretic!

True, but to be fair that was not new information to anyone.

 

[Gawdzilla Sama]

Did natural rock formation produce new material?

Take your hat off and I'll check.

 

[The Great Zaganza]

Did natural rock formation produce new material?

Yes.

 

[P.J. Denyer]

Yes.

But it was a formation of oxidised ferrious material so it had less information than, say, an unrusted metal bar.

 

[Skeptical Greg]

....who orchestrated the automobile accident that brought me together with the cancer patient in need of prayer?

Is the accident report available? It should tell us who was determined to be at fault.

How did the prayer work out?
Instant healing?

Why not? It worked for the man with a cane.

 

[catsmate]

Do random mutations mean new information?
Random is selected from available information.

Oh good grief.

 

[P.J. Denyer]

Is the accident report available? It should tell us who was determined to be at fault.

How did the prayer work out?
Instant healing?

Why not? It worked for the man with a cane.

"I was proceeding down Westheimer at a safe and legal speed when suddenly God grabbed the wheel, stamped on the gas and swerved the car into on coming traffic. He also forced half a bottle of Jack down my throat entirely against my will."

 

[catsmate]

No.
It is a rearrangement of existing genetic material sequences.

You have not a clue, do you?

 

[Gawdzilla Sama]

I was injuew

"I was proceeding down Westheimer at a safe and legal speed when suddenly God grabbed the wheel, stamped on the gas and swerved the car into on coming traffic. He also forced half a bottle of Jack down my throat entirely against my will."

I was injured in that accident! Have your God call me. (I don't trust attorneys but God is my co-pilot.)

 

[Gawdzilla Sama]

You have not a clue, do you?

That's what the tatoo on his forehead states.

 

[catsmate]

"Information" itself is a silly word game. We observe increased genetic variety and increased genetic material. It happens. Trying to argue it into impossibility with vague terms is ridiculous.

It's a deeply held belief amongst god botherers who don't understand evolution.

@Rusty Tyler, like similar ignorant god botherers, doesn't understand new breeds (of cats, dogs, cows.....) have come into existence. Nor does her understand Lenski's e-coli experiments (showing evolution in action) or the other examples.