Apollo 11 Moon Landing Revisited: Hoax ~vs~ Debunk

[Foster Zygote]

I doubt you would be able to follow the argument as you are so ingrained in the Kubrick version.

The people claiming Kubrick's involvement were too ignorant to understand that NASA wouldn't have approached Kubrick, but rather Douglas Trumbull. They also obviously never actually watched any of Trumbull's work to compare it to the Apollo images. As brilliant as Trumbull's VFX work was for its day, it doesn't match the real life physics we see evident in the Apollo images.

The Apollo 11 astronauts had to train in artificially induced reduced gravity (note: NOT zero gravity, as is commonly believed but apx 1/6th of Earth's).

Commonly believed by whom?

Since you brought up Trump, this sounds like one of his "nobody knew..." lines.

This was achieved periodically by travelling at high speeds. Its abrupt and very brief nature meant devising a system of harnesses (see earlier video about the 'debunkers'). Because the harnesses by which the trainees were hoist in the air caused an imbalance, they found it easier to leap about with two feet as ordinary gait tended to make them lose their balance. The hoist made them tend to spin around. Plus on the Moon they had a backpack roughly their own body weight. In the aforesaid video, in one part the guy was wearing a piece of styrofoam on his back. For the artificial gravity session, a body vest weighing roughly 180lbs was wrapped around his torso, rather than on his back. Yet he was still unable to maintain his balance.

Did you farm that out to a chat-bot? It's utter nonsense.

HOWEVER, on the Moon the videos we see show the astronauts hopping in the same manner as though they were still on a hoist! Plus, their backpack no longer seems to be a problem for them. In effect, it looks EXACTLY like the sequences were filmed on Earth.

This is more ◊◊◊◊◊◊◊◊. When Adam Savage tested movement in 1/6g on the Vomit Comet, he found that the hopping motion really was the most effective way of moving forward at 1/6g.

Kimo sabe?

You might want to look up the meaning of 'kemosabe' (Ojibwe - gimoozaabi). It doesn't mean 'understand'.

 

[Foster Zygote]

It's this idea that when on the Moon every step is ten inches high and you have to leap about. This is something imagined by NASA and Kubrick in his Apollo film at the time. The proof will be in the pudding when the Chinese astronauts land in the near future.

You've never watched 2001, have you? No one in the movie hops around while depicting being on the moon.

You've also clearly not watched more than the most superficial amount of actual Apollo TV images. They aren't bouncing along ten inches high with every step. Is it that you have so much contempt for the idea of the Apollo landings, or that you're so disinterest in any of it other than as a performative target for your "intellectual" contempt.

 

[Foster Zygote]

That may be so but it doesn't deal with Allen's valid points about the photography. It is quite possible for the journey to the Moon to be real yet the photography to have been produced in a studio on Earth, for PR, for example. Simply calling someone names and dishing out ridicule Trump-style doesn't actually settle anything.

 

[Foster Zygote]

Is Kubrick's Apollo film in the room with you now?

Show us on the doll where Kubrick's Apollo film touched you.

 

[JayUtah]

They also obviously never actually watched an of Trumbull's work to compare it to the Apollo images. As brilliant as Trumbull's VFX work was for its day, it doesn't match the real life physics we see evident in the Apollo images.

Trumbull actually cut a lot of corners too. Some of his model composite shots (like the Moon bus) are not models being photographed on film and then composited to a background. They are instead photographs of the models being slid in front of the background plate. That's why you can't see any aspect change on them as they move through the frame.

But all that aside, we really don't know what @Vixen is talking about. Yes, Stanley Kubrick made 2001: A Space Odyssey, but that was not a collaboration. Kubrick sought advice from outside scientists and some former NASA people. But NASA had no direct involvement. Kubrick and NASA never collaborated on any film. Without further information from @Vixen I'm just going to assume she's making it up.

You might want to look up the meaning of 'kemosabe' (Ojibwe - gimoozaabi). It doesn't mean 'understand'.

She knows.

 

[catsmate]

Are those cracking knuckles I hear? Your argument be like said kids in a classroom who attack the older kid for casually hypothesising Father Christmas was likely an abstract concept based on ancient folklore, and quite unwittingly - for no disrespect of the other kids' faith was intended nor hurting of feelings - causing immense fury in the younger ones, who launch themselves at the latter, kicking his or her shins, calling him or her horrible names, and they outnumber the latter, see? so they are right!!! "Mum-meeee! That person said Father Christmas wasn't real!!!" The other kid: "NO! I simply said it was likely an abstract concept...oh never mind". <fx: backs out of the room slowly>

Good grief, more childishly stupid strawmannery. Apollo happened, get over it

 

[Olmstead]

Trumbull actually cut a lot of corners too. Some of his model composite shots (like the Moon bus) are not models being photographed on film and then composited to a background. They are instead photographs of the models being slid in front of the background plate. That's why you can't see any aspect change on them as they move through the frame.

But all that aside, we really don't know what @Vixen is talking about. Yes, Stanley Kubrick made 2001: A Space Odyssey, but that was not a collaboration. Kubrick sought advice from outside scientists and some former NASA people. But NASA had no direct involvement. Kubrick and NASA never collaborated on any film. Without further information from @Vixen I'm just going to assume she's making it up.


She knows.

I think she's saying that the real NASA footage was a secret Kubrick collaboration.

 

[Carrot Flower King]

Calling Mark E Smith!

Repetition, repetition, repetition! We all dig repetition!

 

[catsmate]

Foster Zygote, the problem with your method of debate is that you keep making sweeping generalisations and stereotypes based on pure assumption.

This is a lie.

For example, your obvious belief I must be a bimbo and have no idea how to use a sophisticated camera. Please stop pigeonholing.

This is another lie, a strawman you're attempting to use to avoid answering the smarter people who are ripping your nonsense apart.

 

[Steve]

I think she's saying that the real NASA footage was a secret Kubrick collaboration.

I don't think Kubrick ever went to the moon, so Vixen is obviously wrong.

 

[JayUtah]

I think she's saying that the real NASA footage was a secret Kubrick collaboration.

I assume so, but we already covered that. It started out as a joke, but then someone stripped off the punchline and tried to pass it off as real.

 

[catsmate]

This is the other thing: all people seem to have in their debating tool box are insults, name-calling and ad homs.

Well you obviously don't have any facts, logic or evidence in yours......

 

[catsmate]

I don't think hero-worship is at all useful.

Strawman.

 

[catsmate]

O-Level Physics was far harder than anything people do today.

Right....
Maybe you should try actual university physics?

 

[catsmate]

...... (excluding the rumoured Hasselblad),

Evidence for this "rumour"? Or are you lying again to paper over your previous lies?

 

[catsmate]

Irrelevant. You have absolutely no discernible competence in physics. You are stumbling over elementary concepts—the kind literally taught to children. In any case, professional engineering is far harder than O-Level physics. I am qualified in that and you are not.

True, but I must point out that there are a vast number of other matters @Vixen has no discernible competence in.

 

[catsmate]

The argument is that the shutter speed of the cameras used means they must have been churning out a photo every Xth of a unit of time.

Strawman. You however seem unable to do basic calculations on units of time.

 

[Andy_Ross]

Calling Mark E Smith!

Repetition, repetition, repetition! We all dig repetition!

Repetition-ah

 

[GlennB]

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You might want to look up the meaning of 'kemosabe' (Ojibwe - gimoozaabi). It doesn't mean 'understand'.

IIRC she insisted it was Cockney Rhyming Slang for 'savvy?' or some other nonsense, and would not be corrected.

 

[catsmate]

Yeah, let's all pretend I'm the stupid one. I get this means a lot to our US friends and I honestly have no intention of pricking anyone's fondly held beliefs.

Strawman. And many people exposing your idiocy aren't USAian.