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Merged (edited) General thoughts about Christianity and the bible

We can't save ourselves. We need help.
So in your belief system, you're vilified for asking hard questions because blind faith per se is declared to be a virtue. And it's declared that you're perpetually in a perilous state of disfavor that can be fixed only by means of an intercession that in turn can only come from blind faith.

And this doesn't ring any warning bells for you? How is this not simply a church scaring you into doing what they say?
 
Decent album, but way over-rated. His tendency to over-sing songs grates on me somewhat and he should have credited John Cale for that arrangement of Hallelujah, 'cos it is Cale's arrangement not Cohen's original epic.

Next question?
 
Not really it is that they give precedent to the bible and not to the church. My lot - classed as protestant sect - would have laughed at anyone who thought genesis was an account of god's actual creation of everything. Albeit in Sunday School we were just presented with it as a story.
Peter Gomes talks about this extensively in his book. Protestants look to the Bible rather than to the church as having actual authority, but in practice it is the interpretation of the clergy that creates what is believed as actual doctrine.

For example, Lutherans believe that the body of Christ is literally contained in the communion host. Presbyterians believe there's a kind of spiritual (but not physical) presence. Baptists believe it's all purely symbolic: just a gesture done in remembrance. All claim the Bible as authority for this, but they're clearly all reading the Bible differently. Inasmuch as these kinds of differences do much to define the various Protestant sects, even banding together as communities of like-minded Bible-readers has the effect of perpetuating sectarianism.

When you dig deeper, you see the different interpretational systems these various clergy use. They're taught in schools and applied in practice. And naturally they result in different outcomes. A Protestant church and clergy do not stand as intercessors as they do in Catholicism, and this is an important, lasting difference. But the church and clergy do much to shape what the individual Protestant is meant to believe.

Save ourselves from what? What danger stalks us so ominously?
Evolution, apparently.
 
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Save ourselves from what? What danger stalks us so ominously?
From sin of course. Mind you it does say that the sexy one of the Throuple was sacrificed so we don't need to do any further sacrifices. This sacrifice idea is something that many Christians do not understand as they are unaware of the context. Jesus was talking about the Jewish "sin sacrifice" ritual, in which when you had transgressed one of the laws you made a sacrifice to god to clean your slate, that is the type of sacrifice he was talking about. Now the idea that he ended ritual sacrifice is of course at odds with what is prophesied the messiah will do, Ezekiel said the messiah would restore the sacrificial system. Again another prophecy that Jesus did not fulfil. One would almost think he wasn't the Messiah and was just a very, very n.....
 
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When you dig deeper, you see the different interpretational systems these various clergy use. They're taught in schools and applied in practice. And naturally they result in different outcomes. A Protestant church and clergy do not stand as intercessors as they do in Catholicism, and this is an important, lasting difference. But the church and clergy do much to shape what the individual Protestant is meant to believe.

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My lot were originally primitive methodists so even after the joining with the other methodist sects they retained a deep suspicion of anyone thinking they were a "priest" - they held that we all have the same access to god and need no one to intercede or mediate for god. I was bamboozled the first time I went to a CofE service - all the dressing up, all the pomp and the graven images and statues were astonishing to me.
 
And both groups purport to believe in what is patently a ridiculous idea.
I mean, sure. It's like the difference between a group believing that Red Riding Hood was literally eaten by a wolf, and those who think that the wolf was just a metaphor for a bad guy and he only *ahem* ate her in the other sense of the word, but both think LRRH was real :P
 
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For example, Lutherans believe that the body of Christ is literally contained in the communion host. Presbyterians believe there's a kind of spiritual (but not physical) presence. Baptists believe it's all purely symbolic: just a gesture done in remembrance. All claim the Bible as authority for this, but they're clearly all reading the Bible differently. Inasmuch as these kinds of differences do much to define the various Protestant sects, even banding together as communities of like-minded Bible-readers has the effect of perpetuating sectarianism.
And at least the followers of Cathol believe in transubstantiation, meaning that the wafer actually physically transforms into the body of Jesus when you eat it. Yeah, well, try being a vegan and getting B12 from that.
 
I mean, sure. It's like the difference between a group believing that Red Riding Hood was literally eaten by a wolf, and those who think that the wolf was just a metaphor for a bad guy...
In The Book of Mormon musical, which takes place in Uganda, one character says to another: "Salt Lake City isn't a real place; it's just a metaphor." Which, of course, gets gales of uproarious laughter when played here in Salt Lake City.
 
Sounds like a misquote.

Psalm 14:1 NIV
The fool says in his heart,
“There is no God.” ...
I would add though that the Psalms are NOT the word of God, but just some prayers TO God, written by humans. They don't even have God's seal of approval or anything. Even canonically for both Judaism and Xianity, they were just collected by other humans who thought they were the good stuff.

Basically they're even less canonical for what God actually wants than the rabbinical fan-fic such as the Midrash. I mean, the latter is at least the work of some guys who spent a life studying the word of God, while Psalms is just some potentially unqualified folks' prayers TO God.

It's like printing my prayer that Anakin Skywalker shoves a lightsaber up my boss's *ahem* rear end, and then thinking that it means it's what Anakin wants.
 
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I just had another thought about this, relating to Rusty's bizarre level of ignorance about, seemingly, every facet of life:

Rusty, do you have to have x-rays every time you go to the dentist? Normal dental checkups only require a careful examination, not x-rays, which are only needed to investigate an already detected problem. Are your teeth seriously that bad?

Dave

It isn't even an X-Ray, this is like having someone dowse your teeth looking for tooth decay.

Just to prove that rather than just being us nasty atheists, even Christians, even Young Earth Creationist Christians, think the 'Ark' is a load of bunk, here's an artical by Young Earth Creationist Andrew Snelling in the Creation Ministries International House journal 'Creation' debunking the lies in the claim.

 

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