Ed Israel/US Attacks Iran /Yet Another Country/Iran

[Planigale]

Nope. The Soviets invaded Afghanistan.


Nope. That was the Taliban, a Pakistani ISI creation, that took power in the chaos after the Soviets left Afghanistan.


Nope. Al Qaeda was in Afghanistan to FIGHT THE SOVIETS. The CIA did reach out to Osama bin Laden, and he told us to F-k off. The only thing Al Qaeda hated more than the Soviets was the USA. And Al Qaeda had branched off from the Muslim Brotherhood...because they weren't extreme enough.


Nope. We didn't put the Taliban into power. Never happened. Maybe look up Wahabis sometime if you need to know about the Taliban's origins. The US works with political fanatics, not religious fanatics.


Not the way it went down. We were not expelled. We left. Turns out the Afghans are useless, and we ignored 20 years of evidence supporting this fact. And the Taliban are just the same as when they ran away the first time. They are no more extremist, just the Taliban. And they've been quietly asking us for money, and trade deals. So LOL.


Sure, as long as you're not one of the people who don't survive their re-education camps, or question authority, or fail to suck up to the local party commissar. And Vietnam is communist in name only. In the 1990s they lectured the Clinton Administration on economics, and suggested lower corporate taxes to allow growth. It's like Barry Goldwater won.


Except none of that happened. We didn't install and Islamist government in Afghanistan. And you ignore the undercurrent of fundamentalist Islamic fear of the mid-to-late 20th century where the youth was embracing western ideas, music, technology, and worse still: Women's rights. The Islamic fundamentalism which saw the rise of Ayatollah Khomeini in Iran was all about old men freaking out because women had jobs, and could freely dress, and participate in society. In the US we see the same thing with our Christian nutjobs.


Man, not even close.

ISIS formed in Abu Ghraib Prison and other detention centers in Iraq because the US didn't know what it was doing. ISIS wasn't our creation, but it sure as hell was our fault. Assad's regime was happy to allow jihadists to come in through Syria to train, and cross into Iraq to fight US forces. After we left, those jihadists went back to Syria to fight Assad. Hilarious, actually.

Are you using ChatGTP or something? You're history is really bad.

No your understanding of history is non-existent, clearly formed in a right wing pro-amerkica echo chamber. You have no idea about Islam and politics. Syria (under Assad) was fairly secular, not Islamist. Shia militias in iraq had been supported by the US in opposition to the Iraqi government. Post the (unnecessary) US invasion they resisted the invasion forces, Fighting an occupying force even if US army is patriotic, it is not terrorism. Those were not the forces that attacked Assad. The forces that attacked Syria (Assad) were Sunni, closely related to ISIS. ISIS was existentially opposed to the secular Syrian government, the Shia Iranian government and co-operation with the US.

The Iranian revolution wasn't because of fear of women having jobs. But because of the political (anti democratic) oppression by the US imposed dictator. Iran has one of the highest enagements of women in STEM, far higher than the US. Iranian women have jobs.

ISIS formed before the US decided to kidnap innocent civilians, torture them and lock them in prisons denying them due process. What proportion of those held in Guantanamo were involved in terrorism?

Has the US ever paid compensation for the many people deformed due to the US spraying agent orange over Vietnam?

I have no doubt the US is the greatest murderer and terrorist in post WW2 period.

 

[d4m10n]

Good you can link, but perhaps actually express your opinion?

My opinion is that you should go fix the wiki.

 

[Andy_Ross]

CNN: Sources are telling CNN Iran is actively preparing for an invasion of Kharg Island. The traps that we understand that are being put there: anti-personnel and anti-armor mines placed around the island. Tehran is also moving a large number of troops and air defenses to this island.

https://twitter.com/x/status/2036945134605263057

 

[Safe-Keeper]

CNN: Sources are telling CNN Iran is actively preparing for an invasion of Kharg Island. The traps that we understand that are being put there: anti-personnel and anti-armor mines placed around the island. Tehran is also moving a large number of troops and air defenses to this island.

https://twitter.com/x/status/2036945134605263057

Whoever said this, you are all reasonable and rational Americans right now.

 

[Safe-Keeper]

And why can't we help the Kurds? All the bitching about Palestine, but Kurdistan doesn't count? Why is that?

Not enough pizza cutter points to be gained from supporting the Kurds.

 

[Ziggurat]

I myself find myself crying for the Iranian children.

 

[Ziggurat]

Iran has one of the highest enagements of women in STEM, far higher than the US.

That's actually quite common among oppressive authoritarian societies. It's not a good thing, it's a side effect of a very bad thing.

Iranian women have jobs.

But they don't have freedom. They are tortured and killed for not covering their hair.

I have no doubt the US is the greatest murderer and terrorist in post WW2 period.

You really don't know what the Soviets and the Chinese communists did, do you?

 

[Safe-Keeper]

American women have jobs too, but for some reason I suspect Planigale still considers them oppressed. Funny how that works.

 

[The Great Zaganza]

Plenty of countries have done terrible things to their population, and no one demands regime through bombing there.

So that is obviously not the reason Iran is being attacked.

Anyone playing that card is making excuses

 

[The Great Zaganza]

What everyone should be cheering for is the International Order that bans countries from attacking and invading other countries for any reason other than actual self defense.
If you are okay with the US attacking Iran for regime change, you are implicitly supporting the Russian invasion of Ukraine for the very same reason.

 

[Helen]

Perhaps Planigale cries for the children when Iran kills them, and then when the US kille them as well? I know I do. The children stay killed in both cases.

 

[Planigale]

What Iranian children were killed by the regime?

 

[The Great Zaganza]

Israeli former PM calls on ICC to halt West Bank ‘Jewish terrorists’ after prosecutions stop

Exclusive: Guardian analysis of settler violence shows no Israelis prosecuted since 2020 for killing Palestinian civilians, as former military, police and spy chiefs describe ‘organised Jewish terrorism’ Middle East crisis – live updates

www.theguardian.com

Attacks have spurred former prime minister Ehud Olmert to call for an intervention by the international criminal court (ICC), to “save the Palestinians and us [Israelis]” from state-backed settler violence, carried out with the complicity and sometimes participation of the police and military.


“I have decided not only to not remain silent, but to draw the attention of the ICC in The Hague so that it may take enforcement measures and issue arrest warrants,’” Olmert said in written comments to the Guardian.

Since 2020 Israeli soldiers and settlers have killed at least 1,100 Palestinian civilians in the occupied West Bank, at least a quarter of whom were children, UN data shows. No one has been charged over any of these deaths.

Would bombing and forcing regime change in Israel be legitimate?
If you say no, then you are also saying that bombing Iran is illegitimate.

Unless you don't care about consistency.

 

[Andy_Ross]

Trump on Iran:

We had an attack. 100 missiles were shot by Iran at a very important thing that we had. I won't tell you what it was for certain reasons.

We shot down all missiles.

https://twitter.com/x/status/2037065344745951713

 

[Andy_Ross]

Israeli former PM calls on ICC to halt West Bank ‘Jewish terrorists’ after prosecutions stop

Exclusive: Guardian analysis of settler violence shows no Israelis prosecuted since 2020 for killing Palestinian civilians, as former military, police and spy chiefs describe ‘organised Jewish terrorism’ Middle East crisis – live updates

www.theguardian.com

Would bombing and forcing regime change in Israel be legitimate?
If you say no, then you are also saying that bombing Iran is illegitimate.

Unless you don't care about consistency.

No, you aren't allowed to criticise Israel

 

[jimbob]

Trump on Iran: They want to make a deal so badly but they are afraid to say it. They figure they will be killed by their own people. They are also afraid they will be killed by us.

https://twitter.com/x/status/2036953673256100169

translation for the hard of believing.
I want to make a deal so badly but I are* afraid to say it. I figure I will be impeaced by our own people. I are* also afraid I will be killed by the Iranians.

*Grammar is getting a bit difficult for him

 

[The Great Zaganza]

No, you aren't allowed to criticise Israel

that's alright - I'm not criticizing Israel, just its politicians, media, generals and anyone inside and out of ti who is executing and supporting warmongering, genocide and terrorism.

 

[The Great Zaganza]

The fundamental conflict is not between the US and Iran, or Israel and Iran, or the Gulf States and Iran, but between the political survival of Trump OR Netanyahu.

while the war is massively unpopular in the US and almost everywhere else - it will cost Trump the Midterms and probably see him impeached.

But it is incredibly popular in Israel, giving Netanyahu a decent chance the win the next elections again, despite all his crimes, war crimes, destruction of Israeli Democracy and sacrificing Israeli for political gain.

It will take a lot to make Bibi stop before he is out of bombs.

 

[Ziggurat]

Plenty of countries have done terrible things to their population, and no one demands regime through bombing there.

What do you think happened in Libya?

So that is obviously not the reason Iran is being attacked.

I didn't say it was. But it still matters.

 

[Andy_Ross]

Donald J. Trump
@realDonald Trump
NATO NATIONS HAVE DONE ABSOLUTELY NOTHING TO HELP WITH THE LUNATIC NATION, NOW MILITARILY DECIMATED, OF IRAN. THE U.S.A. NEEDS NOTHING FROM NATO, BUT "NEVER FORGET” THIS VERY IMPORTANT POINT IN TIME! President DONALD J. TRUMP