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Ed Israel/US Attacks Iran /Yet Another Country/Iran

Yeah

1. Terrorist attacks against "bystander" counties such as at the US, Canada, Australia, UK and NZ (and to be clear, countries that host Islamic terrorists, ad from where terrorist attacks or ricket attacks are launched, are not bystanders)

2. Actually TARGETING civilians.... and I know some people claim they do but its a flat out lie from people who parrot Islamic media such as Al Jazeera (a.k.a. TNN - Terrorist News Network), or western media who uncritically repeat those claims without fact checking. The IDF do everything reasonably possible to warn civilians of impending attacks (roof knocking, broadcasts etc)

3. Using nukes!
So do you condemn the bombing of synagogues and targeting Jewish populations with terror attacks in Arab countries?

What about orders to execute unarmed civilians? Explicit written orders.
 
There was an even better one earlier, and this bears repeating for all the nonces in the audience who willfully ignored it the first time....


On Sept. 13, 1993, President Bill Clinton hosted Yitzhak Rabin (Israeli Prime Minster ) and Yasser Arafat (President of the Palestinian National Authority) in a ceremony in which a preliminary Israeli-Palestinian peace accord would be signed.

It fell though. Bill Clinton later recounted “The only time Yasser Arafat didn’t tell me the truth was when he promised he was going to accept the peace deal that we had worked out which would have given the Palestinians...

a. A state that was 96% of the West Bank and 4% of Israel, and
b. A capital in East Jerusalem, and
c. Two of the four quadrants of the old city of Jerusalem"

The Palestinians said no. Arafat chose to turn down the peace deal of a lifetime and the establishment of a Palestinian state and instead, chose to launch a terror war that would bury the dream of Palestinian self-determination even deeper in the sand.

Twelve years later, despite the Palestinians ongoing refusal negotiate in good faith, any kind of peace deal, Israel themselves acted to try to bring peace to the region. In a unilateral decision by Prime Minister Ariel Sharon, Israel withdrew from the Gaza Strip and from four settlements in the West Bank... they handed it all over to the Palestinians. The US and others stated there should be elections in Gaza, and there were. The Palestinian Authority had what they always wanted... a Palestine free of Jews.

So in 2006 the Gazans, instead for voting for a democracy by electing Fatah into government, instead voted for Hamas... and then Hamas promptly murdered all its high-ranking political opponents in Fatah... threw them off buildings, shot them in the back, dragged their bodies behind trucks through Gaza. Hamas then ruled Gaza for the next 18 years. The international community had poured billions of dollars in funding into Gaza in 2005, and with all that money from the goodwill of the rest of the world, they had a chance (18 years) to bring forth a new generation of well educated young Gazans to help build a state, and give the Palestinian people the chance to have the full, productive, happy lives they deserved. But Hamas didn't do that. Instead of pouring those billions of foreign aid dollars into building a new Riviera at the eastern end of the Mediterranean, they ploughed all that money into building tunnels underground, literally preparing the ground to fight a war they were always going to start with Israel... which they did on October 7, 2023.

And as for Khal Mashal (chairman of the Hamas Political Bureau from 1996 until May 2017) and others in the Hamas hierarchy, well they bought themselves luxury penthouses in Doha. That's where all the foreign aid money went!!

So, given all this is recorded, factual history, the question I have is this.... Why should Israel allow itself to be pushed by the international community into trying the same experiment again, when anyone with a functional brain knows it will just yield the same result all over again?

Hamas are not interested in peace. They are interested in one, and only thing... wiping all Jews of the face of the earth.
Reference?
 
Looks like removing the Leader has removed many restraints Iran had when picking targets.

Straight of Hormoz is effectively closed, causing gas prices to rise. looks like at least one tanker is on fire - that will stop shipping for a while. No wonder the US is so desperate to sink Iranian ships.

Airports in the region are closed, leaving hundreds of thousands stranded - people who paid a lot on money to vacation in a supposedly peaceful place are now on the edge of a warzone. It is not clear how the region's tourism and airline industry, critical for the economy, will recover and how quickly.

It is possible that US troops were killed in the many US Embassies that were stormed in India, Pakistan and elsewhere as a response to the attack on Iran. Many killed and wounded.

 
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A consequence that has been pointed out is that Ukraine will be shorted on US supplied anti-aircraft munitions. Clearly a good moment for Russia to increase pressure on ukraine. Europe may be unwilling and unable to increase supply of anti-aircraft munitions when they may be needed elsewhere.
 
One of the historic arguments against 'decapitating enemy leadership' is that it leaves you with no one to negotiate with. Israel has certainly practiced this policy, but with an intent that there will be no negotiation. This has proven to be a difficult policy even in the restricted environment of Gaza, Hamas persists. The promised revolution against Hamas didn't happen. This suggests that the same policy may not be successful in Iran.
 
A consequence that has been pointed out is that Ukraine will be shorted on US supplied anti-aircraft munitions. Clearly a good moment for Russia to increase pressure on ukraine. Europe may be unwilling and unable to increase supply of anti-aircraft munitions when they may be needed elsewhere.
We have two fears here -

(1) as you say, air defence shortages. We're fine for drone defence, but ballistic missile defence requires assistance. I'm fairly confident Ukraine will have home grown patriot replacements within 18 months, but in the meantime that's a lot of missiles
(2) the price of oil is skyrocketing, which (a) funds the war (b) lessons the impact of the war on the Russian people, so it will go on longer
 
All Sunni muslims, not Shia, not Iran. I am sure similar claims were made about the PLO and arab countries not recognising Israel.
Irrelevant. I said "Islamic terrorists and fundamentalists"

Hamas have said that they would recognise Israel on 1968 borders.
1967 borders actually.

And you believe them? How adorable.

According to a March 2006 poll, 70% of Hamas supporters said they would want peace with Israel if a Palestinian state was established, and Israel agreed to return to the 1967 borders.

In 2010, Hamas announced they would accept the outcome of a Palestinian referendum on a peace treaty with Israel even if the results were not in line with their ideology.

However, In 2012, high-ranking Hamas official Mousa Abu Marzook gave an interview in which he expressed a range of opinions that differed from the their previously announced stance. He said that Hamas will not recognize Israel and will not feel bound to understand a peace treaty negotiated by Fatah as a recognition of Israel.

You just cannot believe anything they say.

Hamas have said that they do not seek the extermination of Jews.
And again, in your naive fashion, you believe them. I'll give you this - if nothing else, your unwavering gullibility is consistent.


"Israel will exist and will continue to exist until Islam will obliterate it, just as it obliterated others before it"​
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"The Day of Judgement will not come about until Moslems fight the Jews (killing the Jews), when the Jew will hide behind stones and trees. The stones and trees will say O Moslems, O Abdulla, there is a Jew behind me, come and kill him. Only the Gharkad tree, (evidently a certain kind of tree) would not do that because it is one of the trees of the Jews." (related by al-Bukhari and Moslem).​


While a 2017 document attempted to rebrand the group by replacing some antisemitic language with anti-Zionist rhetoric, Hamas has not formally renounced its original charter, and leaders have continued to make statements calling for violence against Jews.

Despite that 2017 statement, Hamas leaders have consistently called for the destruction of Israel and engaged in genocidal rhetoric described. In 2021, Yahya Sinwar, the Hamas leader in Gaza, expressed support for the "eradication of Israel through armed jihad". In 2023, Hamas official Hamad Al-Regeb called for the "annihilation" and "paralysis" of Jews, referring to them as "filthy animals". After the October 7, 2023 attack, Senior Hamas official Ghazi Hamad vowed to repeat the attacks "time and again until Israel is annihilated".

Care to revice your bull-◊◊◊◊ story now?

The reality is Hamas will say or do anything to get their enemies to stop attacking them, so that they have time to rearm, recruits and restock for the next round. If th est or israel are sucked into this bull-◊◊◊◊ again, Hamas will contiunue to do what they have done for decades - suicide bombings and rocket attacks.

Anyone who believes Hamas would accept ANY deal that leaves Israel intact, and a single Jew anywhere in the middle east... is a gullible fool.
 
Spare me. It's well established that HAMAS uses human shields. They're also an irredeemable dictatorship and there's no reason for you to carry water for them.

Seriously, this is what I hate about the Israel-Palestine 'debate' --two factions each sitting in their own trench condemning all the horrors from 'the other side' while for some inexplicable reason thinking they have to simultaneously defend, deflect, or excuse everything their side does. Hearing HAMAS apologists frantically go 'but but but there's only so much space in a city so sometimes a bunker full of weapons and rockets just ends up being sited in the basement of a school (or 'a few metres away' in your case) and whatabout this whataboutism?!' is like listening to trumpkins who think they have to tie themselves into pretzels or start screaming about Obama and Biden every time they see criticism of their Holy Führer. And before you come at me, yes, I know both sides do it, I hate it just as much when it comes from the IDF apologists. I don't know what it is about this particular conflict that makes ordinarily level-headed and rational people turn into screaming apologists for dictatorship, murder, and genocide, but I'm so sick and tired of seeing it.

Look, the Israel-Palestine cluster◊◊◊◊ consists of two horrible factions of religious maniacs, each trying to wipe the opposing people off the face of the earth. Both wantonly use tactics and strategies that have no place in the civilized world, and have done so for close to a century. Picking one side to cheerlead and thinking that while you're at it you also need to excuse all the horrible things they do isn't going to lead to peace or better conditions for either people, in fact, all HAMAS has accomplished with decades and decades of terror and oppression (most of all to their own people, which so-called Palestine supporters claim to be fighting for) is losing more and more and more of Gaza, and giving Israel a steady stream of casus bellis to keep justifying their own atrocities. You'd think that at some point the 'Palestine supporters' would open their eyes and go 'hey, you know, maybe we shouldn't be defending all this stuff, not only is it beyond the pale but it's also not even working!'. Or at least 'hey, why are we defending HAMAS anyway, they're dreadful people and even without all the things the Israelis do, they still treat their people horribly, shouldn't we be advocating for democracy or something?'.

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Hamas are Israel's creation. Plus there is absolutely nothing that Hamas has done that isn't directly comparable to what partisan groups did during the nazi occupation of Europe, actions which were deemed lawful and moral under international law.

The difference between Hamas and Israel is so vast you can't compare the two.
 
Israel attacking Lebanon

The Israeli military has launched an "offensive campaign" against Hezbollah that is likely to last several days, IDF Chief of Staff Eyal Zamir confirms.

“We have begun an offensive campaign against Hezbollah. We are not just on the defensive, now we go on the offence,” he says.

 
Israel attacking Lebanon

The Israeli military has launched an "offensive campaign" against Hezbollah that is likely to last several days, IDF Chief of Staff Eyal Zamir confirms.

“We have begun an offensive campaign against Hezbollah. We are not just on the defensive, now we go on the offence,” he says.

I guess Lebanon should have thought twice about firing rockets at Israel, only one of which, thankfully, got through the dome.
 
Kuwait's defence ministry says the crews of the jets 'survived unscathed' and are in a 'stable' condition after being evacuated and transferred to hospitals.
Monday 2 March 2026
that word "unscathed" - I don't think it means what you think it means.
 

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