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dirtywick said:
maybe he was carrying it legally, maybe he never had a gun at all, maybe he pulled it while they were beating him, maybe he didn't, maybe the saw it and freaked out. i don't know. but the problem is you can't trust ice and dhs to tell the truth. they'll say whatever makes ice look the best and lie if they need to.
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Surely being dragged out of your car, beaten and killed by a group of masked thugs is the kind of situation that 2A advocates say carrying a gun is supposed to prevent?

ETA: Or what The Great Zaganza said...
 
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The Great Zaganza said:
After getting beaten up by half a dozen goons with no indication that they will stop, pulling a gun to defend yourself is -supposedly - exactly what you should so, according to every ... single ... 2nd amendment supporter.
Just proves that they are all liars who think that if Their Guy is in charge you have to let the government do what it wants to you.
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i think it also goes to show the reality of how impractical the use of the 2nd amdendment actually is
 
The Great Zaganza said:
After getting beaten up by half a dozen goons with no indication that they will stop, pulling a gun to defend yourself is -supposedly - exactly what you should so, according to every ... single ... 2nd amendment supporter.
Just proves that they are all liars who think that if Their Guy is in charge you have to let the government do what it wants to you.
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Yep. Just like "my abortion was different", and "government hands off my Medicare".
 
dirtywick said:
maybe he was carrying it legally, maybe he never had a gun at all, maybe he pulled it while they were beating him, maybe he didn't, maybe the saw it and freaked out. i don't know. but the problem is you can't trust ice and dhs to tell the truth. they'll say whatever makes ice look the best and lie if they need to.
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This is the issue with dog-killer Barbie and her corrupt department: Can't trust 'em. Even if a video shows the guy pointing a gun at an agent, you're gonna think "AI?"
 
Resume said:
This is the issue with dog-killer Barbie and her corrupt department: Can't trust 'em. Even if a video shows the guy pointing a gun at an agent, you're gonna think "AI?"
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i think it's inevitable that somebody is going to do something violent against the government, or ice, or the police, or something even unrelated and be in the wrong. ice continues to engineer that inevitable reality. maybe this was the time, i don't know.

the right, from the government officials responsible for it, the propagandists on their behalf, and all the useful idiot parrots are going to want to blame that individual and they're going to want you to go along with it by appealing to your sense of logic and fairness. but, they'll also want you to forget all the past actions and decisions and context to try and get you to hold the wrong people responsible.

so just prepare for the day
 
DHS Statement

“At 9:05 AM CT, as DHS law enforcement officers were conducting a targeted operation in Minneapolis against an illegal alien wanted for violent assault, an individual approached US Border Patrol officers with a 9 mm semi-automatic handgun, seen here.

The officers attempted to disarm the suspect but the armed suspect violently resisted. More details on the armed struggle are forthcoming.

Fearing for his life and the lives and safety of fellow officers, an agent fired defensive shots. Medics on scene immediately delivered medical aid to the subject but was pronounced dead at the scene.

The suspect also had 2 magazines and no ID—this looks like a situation where an individual wanted to do maximum damage and massacre law enforcement.

About 200 rioters arrived at the scene and began to obstruct and assault law enforcement on the scene, crowd control measures were deployed for the safety of the public and law enforcement.

This situation is evolving, and more information is forthcoming.”
 
Lukraak_Sisser said:
Yeah, the US is mimicking Germany prior to the Reichstag's fire. Push and push and abuse laws until someone does something they can use to use some 'temporary power to restore order'
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Wouldn't put it past them to do a false flag at this point 😔.
 
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