What did Democrats do wrong?

What did Democrats do wrong?

  • Didn't fight inflation enough.

    Votes: 12 15.2%

  • Didn't fight illegal immigration enough.

    Votes: 22 27.8%

  • Too much focus on abortion.

    Votes: 2 2.5%

  • Too much transgender stuff.

    Votes: 28 35.4%

  • America not ready for Progressive women leader.

    Votes: 26 32.9%

  • Should have kept Joe.

    Votes: 3 3.8%

  • Not enough focus on new jobs.

    Votes: 2 2.5%

  • Nothing, Trump cheated & played dirty!

    Votes: 14 17.7%

  • Didn't stop Gaza War.

    Votes: 8 10.1%

  • I can be Agent M.

    Votes: 6 7.6%
  • Total voters
    79
Trausti said:
I remain fascinated that if folks really thought there was difficulty getting ID, they'd propose ways to help people get ID. But that was never the goal. Lefties' concern about "disadvantaged" groups is always fake.
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This has already been addressed multiple times. The fact you do not seem to understand this is either dishonesty or incompetence.

There are 2 problems with the "make ID easier to get" argument:

- we recognize that even if the "lefties" came up with a foolproof way to provide photo ID for everyone, when Republicans are in power they will likely destroy those plans. (As has been pointed out multiple times, Republicans in one red state closed multiple devices offices in predominantly minority areas. I do not see why they won't do the same with any sort of voter id plans.)

- such plans will require taxpayers money to fund. Seems like a waste to spend millions of taxpayer dollars to fix something that isn't broken to begin with. (I guess the supposed "fiscally responsible" Republicans just like to waste taxpayer dollars)
 
Segnosaur said:
This has already been addressed multiple times. The fact you do not seem to understand this is either dishonesty or incompetence.

There are 2 problems with the "make ID easier to get" argument:

- we recognize that even if the "lefties" came up with a foolproof way to provide photo ID for everyone, when Republicans are in power they will likely destroy those plans. (As has been pointed out multiple times, Republicans in one red state closed multiple devices offices in predominantly minority areas. I do not see why they won't do the same with any sort of voter id plans.)

- such plans will require taxpayers money to fund. Seems like a waste to spend millions of taxpayer dollars to fix something that isn't broken to begin with. (I guess the supposed "fiscally responsible" Republicans just like to waste taxpayer dollars)
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This. Trausti's basic idea seems to institute something discriminatory and unnecessary and complain that its opponents are opposing it instead of paying for it. A slightly more genteel version of a bullet fee.
 
Trausti said:
I remain fascinated that if folks really thought there was difficulty getting ID, they'd propose ways to help people get ID. But that was never the goal. Lefties' concern about "disadvantaged" groups is always fake.
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Oh look someone who voted for the guy who tried to overturn an election and pardoned the violent mob he used in his attempt is pretending to care about election integrity.
 
Though, I don't think voter ID is the panacea some on the right allege. So I am a little suspicious of their motives.

To my mind, election fraud is much more about ballot chain of custody.

Get rid of vote by mail. Get rid of early voting. Get rid of electronic voting machines. Purge the voter rolls regularly. Establish strong controls on physical ballot chain of custody, and enforce them strictly. That's how to mitigate the risk of bulk election fraud.

You know how Congress decided some states couldn't be trusted to run their own elections because of racism? I'd welcome a similar approach to ballot control. No state gets to run their own elections until they demonstrate a high level of competence in ballot control.
 
johnny karate said:
That's not a denial.

And your argument has already been rebutted. I'm just reminding everyone that it's being made in bad faith.
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Nothing has been rebutted. Apparently you'd rather someone suffer and not have access to documents essential for modern life than allow a common sense check against voter fraud. So, yes, lefties' concern is just fake.
 
theprestige said:
You know how Congress decided some states couldn't be trusted to run their own elections because of racism? I'd welcome a similar approach to ballot control. No state gets to run their own elections until they demonstrate a high level of competence in ballot control.
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Trausti said:
Nothing has been rebutted. Apparently you'd rather someone suffer and not have access to documents essential for modern life than allow a common sense check against voter fraud. So, yes, lefties' concern is just fake.
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When you tell me my concern is fake, it's based on nothing more than your wishful thinking. You're just flinging ◊◊◊◊.

But I know you're arguing in bad faith because how you voted very clearly demonstrates the principles that you've abandoned, if they ever existed.

You don't get to vote for someone who tried to overturn the results of an election he lost and then pardoned the cop-assaulting mob that helped him and think that anyone will ever take you seriously when you say you care about election integrity. I assure you, not one single person does.
 
theprestige said:
Though, I don't think voter ID is the panacea some on the right allege. So I am a little suspicious of their motives.

To my mind, election fraud is much more about ballot chain of custody.

Get rid of vote by mail. Get rid of early voting. Get rid of electronic voting machines. Purge the voter rolls regularly. Establish strong controls on physical ballot chain of custody, and enforce them strictly. That's how to mitigate the risk of bulk election fraud.

You know how Congress decided some states couldn't be trusted to run their own elections because of racism? I'd welcome a similar approach to ballot control. No state gets to run their own elections until they demonstrate a high level of competence in ballot control.
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Now all you have to do is provide evidence of an actual existing problem this will solve.
 
johnny karate said:
Now all you have to do is provide evidence of an actual existing problem this will solve.
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Both sides seem to think the other side keeps trying to steal elections. Lack of trust in the voting system is more than reason enough to make it more trustworthy.

You want to stop worrying about the right trying to steal elections? Push for strong ballot controls and strict enforcement.
 
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johnny karate said:
When you tell me my concern is fake, it's based on nothing more than your wishful thinking. You're just flinging ◊◊◊◊.

But I know you're arguing in bad faith because how you voted very clearly demonstrates the principles that you've abandoned, if they ever existed.
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I voted to keep the profligate government from raising my taxes. That's my principle. In light of the massive fraud on taxpayer dollars that the Democrats are desperately trying to cover up, it was definitely the correct vote.

johnny karate said:
You don't get to vote for someone who tried to overturn the results of an election he lost and then pardoned the cop-assaulting mob that helped him and think that anyone will ever take you seriously when you say you care about election integrity. I assure you, not one single person does.
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As long as Orange-Man doesn't raise my taxes, cuts regulations, and deports foreign child rapists and murders, he can blather on and say all the crazy craps he wants.
 
Solitaire said:
Think of it as a fun little hobby, like building a ship in a bottle.

Come to think of it, there would be more than a few who wouldn't have a reason to live if they couldn't complain.





First point, Biden shouldn't have run for a first term.
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I'm way behind in the thread but I've got to disagree. He should have run in 2016. He'd have beaten Trump handily. Beau Biden really screwed this country up by dying.
 
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