Trump's promised ICE raids have begun

Andy_Ross said:
This guy doesn't have any luck.
He seems to get attacked or beaten up several times a day by protesters and and random Somalis.
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"DHS MUST RAID THIS PLACE!" So he concludes. Because "Somali thugs" allegedly attacked him, DHS must not just investigate, but "raid," writ large. But why DHS? Why raid? What makes him think the thieves were "Somali"? The people around him all sound like native English speakers, and not even the second-generation immigrant kind. Plus I see no attack. Someone grabs his phone and drives off. He's "dragged" because he won't let go of the car. He slides along, unharmed.

Google AI tells me that 92 percent of the "Somalis" in the U.S. are citizens. They could still be criminals, and if naturalized, perhaps subject to some "bad immigrant" law. But many are citizens by birth.

What do you call a person of Somali descent born in the U.S.? A natural-born citizen. Can such citizens hatch plots against the U.S.? Sure. But (if this story is true), that's not what was happening. This was street crime. Investigating property theft is not what DHS is for.

Many people might believe they are being attacked by "Mexicans" if they feel harassed by any vaguely ethnic-looking group - even if said group come from families who have been here 300 years.

Therefore, "DHS must raid this place" and ... do what?

Apparently, collect a bounty for every arrest no matter how bogus. Not good practice IMO. Random targeting seems inefficient for catching criminals, but pretty good for creating unrest and division, and enriching (but also very much endangering) federal agents.

Malcom Gladwell's latest book points out that many widespread social problems are (or at least start off as) localized phenomena involving relatively small groups:
- Medicare fraud can happen anywhere but Florida practically invented it.
- Anyone can spread COVID, but superspreaders at key events had an outsized influence.
- Opioid abuse skyrocketed due to one greedy family and a handful of doctors who pushed absurd doses of oxycodone why claiming it wasn't addictive - only to send people scurrying for heroin, then far more deadly options, when they were cut off.

So yeah, child care fraud could be especially rampant in Minnesota, instigated by a relatively few players. There may be correlations with ethnicity, not because all Somalis are criminals but because any sizable community contains criminals.

I don't always buy Gladwell's conclusions, but his arguments appear to be fact-based and evenhanded even if not perfect.
 
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Andy_Ross said:
Secretary Kristi Noem
@Sec_Noem
PEACE AND PUBLIC SAFETY IN MINNEAPOLIS! We have arrested over 10,000 criminal illegal aliens who were killing Americans, hurting children and reigning terror in Minneapolis because Tim Walz and Jacob Frey refuse to protect their own people and instead protect criminals.

https://twitter.com/x/status/2013275320099483697
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Andy_Ross said:
The White House
@WhiteHouse
ICE is removing some of the most violent criminals in the world from our country and sending them back where they belong.

Minnesota is trying to stop it. Do they really want murderers and drug dealers in their communities? Let that sink in.
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Beelzebuddy said:
We won't know that for sure until it doesn't work.
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Obviously I mean that's not how it works under the constitution. State and local law enforcement are not under the authority of the U.S. Dept. of Justice or any other federal authority. They receive orders only from state or local leaders such as governors and mayors. AG Pam Bondi has no more authority to order the Minneapolis police department to "stand down" or "surrender" (as if those are even things a police department can do) than she does to order Pizza Hut to start serving champagne. Sec. Noem has the same problem, as does Pres. Trump. No officer of the federal government can issue binding orders to state and local law enforcement except by permission of the state and local commanders of those forces.

What might happen instead is that by some bogus invocation of the Insurrection Act and by means of U.S. Army troops now being mobilized for a possible invasion, the President will try to suppress local and state law enforcement by force, perhaps arresting them and charging them with fabricated offenses against federal law.
 
Trausti said:
Isn't the obvious point that Texas and Florida cooperate with Federal Immigration enforcement? ICE just picks them up from the prison or jail. If there is cooperation, then there's no need to do large scale sweeps.
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Thus once more demonstrating that the issue is not immigration but compliance.
 
Trausti said:
Isn't the obvious point that Texas and Florida cooperate with Federal Immigration enforcement? ICE just picks them up from the prison or jail. If there is cooperation, then there's no need to do large scale sweeps.
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If those operations are so effective and efficient, why do those states still have an order of magnitude more undocumented immigrants? They don't even have to stop to shoot mothers in the face, so why the lack of progress?
 
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