Rolfe
Adult human female
I see it now. Sigs don't show on a phone in portrait orientation.
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Transwomen are not Women - Part 15
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I see it now. Sigs don't show on a phone in portrait orientation.
Rolfe
Adult human female
Even allowing for hyperbole, I don't believe anyone in this thread (other than you) has ever said anything remotely resembling that.
Rolfe
Adult human female
Rolfe
Adult human female
The way Karen was treated is unconscionable.
smartcooky
Penultimate Amazing
Darlington Nurses Press Conference
Pixel42
Schrödinger's cat
I'm not subscribed to the thread in which the trans folk on the other forum I belong to complain to each other about how they're being persecuted (mostly because I think they deserve their safe space) but I just clicked on the last page to see how they're taking the Darlington verdict and noticed this gem, which I'm quoting for p0lka's edification:
smartcooky
Penultimate Amazing
They need to cope harder!!
John Freestone
Graduate Poster
No, the UK is equating them (man=male, woman=female). That's not the same as 'mixing them up'. Men and women sharing the women's toilet is 'mixing them up.'
John Freestone
Graduate Poster
But 'transmale' obviously invites confusion with 'transman', for anyone who doesn't keep referring to your particular glossary.
You just said 'I use the term transmale in this thread to be clear what I'm referring to.' Claiming points 1 and 2 at the same time, interesting.
I did that.
John Freestone
Graduate Poster
You commented on the case and even claimed you were using the court's language (which you use generally in this thread anyway, you also claim), and you don't know what the man did? (Sorry for the confusion: that's "woman" or "transman" to you.)
You must know what he did (or "they" if you prefer). I'm asking you if you condone it.
John Freestone
Graduate Poster
As women will tell you, the word was already taken. That is the bigger picture.
John Freestone
Graduate Poster
p0lka
Illuminator
Point one was referring to the red part of my post in which I used the words I have taken to use in this thread to lessen confusion, but I can use transwoman instead if you want? If i'm actually causing more confusion by using transmale i'll switch. I thought I was being clearer by using transmale, as that refers to the sex of the transperson and not the gender vagueness.
Point two was referring to the underlined part of my post in which I used the words of the judgement, not my own.
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p0lka
Illuminator
See my previous post for the explanation of point one and two.
The judgement says they didn't do anything wrong as far as I can tell, what do you think they did wrong? as I'm not seeing it.
p0lka
Illuminator
If the person had said that they didn't want any males in the room instead of men, do you think it might have been harder for the bosses to argue about it? I think it might have, but I don't know so what do other people think?
p0lka
Illuminator
Thanks. So some of them are cherrypicking bits of science that they want to believe whilst ignoring the rest. That way nonsense lies.
p0lka
Illuminator
That's a weird complaint, 'they' can be used in the singular too.
Example: the driver turned left then they proceeded north.
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p0lka
Illuminator
No, it's mixing up gender and sex together as being the same thing; which is not going to solve the problem, instead of treating them differently as they are.
Edit: look at the previous post about buck angel, they are more manly than I will ever be, they've got muscles and a beard and everything! But they are female. Gender and sex are independent of each other as one is social, the other is biological.
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Thermal
August Member
That is precisely the problem with "trans identifying male". For decades, the 'trans' part meant 'transitioning' towards the identified gender, and a transgender identified woman is still used in the literature to describe MtF transpeople. Using 'transgender identified male' sounds like someone who is transitioning/transitioned to male, which is the opposite of your intent. As you say, ya really can't run around with personal glossaries to interpret what individuals mean when using terms in their opposite sense.
Transwoman is the general label used for decades and universally to describe a MtF transperson. It may not be perfect, but neither is 'gay' for a male homosexual (he might in fact be gloomy), nor is a lesbian necessarily from a Grecian isle. 'Strue. It's a short label, not a position statement.
The sole benefit of using 'trans identified male' is that it is universally considered a slur, so it's users are dogwhistling their bashing position unambiguously. That's handy to get debaters sorted quickly.
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Rolfe
Adult human female
The singular usage of "they" is correctly confined to situations where the sex of the person is either unknown (as in your example) or indeterminate, for example when describing a hypothetical situation.
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