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Wow, UK has lost freedom of speech

junkshop said:
May I recommend having a little peek at history to you? It may help you avoid looking quite so pig-ignorant.
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Christians behaved badly in the past? Is that your clever quip? So what? Why does that excuse Muslims from behaving badly in the present (and the past, if you took a little peek at history)?
 
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junkshop said:
May I recommend having a little peek at history to you? It may help you avoid looking quite so pig-ignorant.
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A little peek at history tells us that modern progressives are far more tolerant of violent Islam in the present than they are of peaceful Christianity in the present. And far more tolerant of present Islamic violence than of past Christian violence.
 
Elaedith said:
It's worse than that. He actually said that the fact that somebody knows that burning the Quran is likely to provoke a violent response is what makes burning the Quran arguably a hate crime.
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I'm saying that it has been argued thusly, yes. Hence, arguably. Whether one finds the argument compelling or not depends on one's point of view. Ultimately, it's a matter for judges, not randos on the internet.
 
Ron Obvious said:
But we're discussing the present day. Not ancient history.
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In the UK it is not ancient history. Police officers are still told to check their vehicles for tampering i.e. a.bomb being attached, as are prison officers.

ETA: but we seem to be getting a tad off topic, in the UK there is now legal precedent that says burning a Quran is 1) not a breach of the peace and 2) is protected by our right to freedom of expression. What other countries may do or not do isn't the UK doing it.

And note in the UK it is only the right that campaigns to remove 2).
 
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arthwollipot said:
Because knowledgeable legal scholars and judges have made that call. It has still been argued.
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Of course it can be argued, anything can but in the UK it is now settled law. Anyone trying to prosecute such an act as a crime will have to find some novel way to do so, the judgement was comprehensive in dismantling the legal arguments put forward by the prosecution and went further than that.
 
Arth's argument here is stunningly stupid. He's effectively arguing to not poke the bear... do not insult their religion because they are likely to react violently - in effect, if you insult Islam, you have it coming to you (like a woman in a violent relationship shouldn't provoke her basher).
 
Darat said:
In the UK there is now legal precedent that says burning a Quran is 1) not a breach of the peace and 2) is protected by our right to freedom of expression. What other countries may do or not do isn't the UK doing it.

And note in the UK it is only the right that campaigns to remove 2).
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Utter Bollocks!!
 
The same in the Netherlands.

The threat to democracy, freedom of expression and the rights of anyone other than straight white male, does not come from Islam.
There are too few, and they are politically far to fragmented to have any meaningful influence.

But the parties that aim to 'protect' from the 'hordes of immigrants coming to *insert bad thing here*' all have stated intentions to restrict freedoms for anyone they do not like. And the religious parties that seek to remove the right to things like Abortion, Euthanasia, LGBTQI+ rights and even the right of women to vote are not Islamic either. I want you to guess what religion they follow.
Now I'm sure there are some rabid Islamic fundamentalists that agree with them apart for the specific religion, but I'll worry about the threats that can actually negatively influence our freedoms here first.
Parties which by the way are heavily funded by both Russia and certain US 'think tanks'.
 
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