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You see, Vixen? It is quite possible to cite, link to, and quote sections of the JAIC report. Perhaps you can cite, link to, and quote the section that says that the Estonia floated on a 90° list.
There was: a bloody great hole in the pointy end (you know, that bit that will go up and down into the waves if the ship is sailed at full speed into a storm).
His family moved back to Britain a year after his father's death in 1914, during the war he and his sisters were evacuated to Essex and by 1919 he was sent to The National Children's Home in Congleton, Cheshire, in the mid-1920's he was in South Wales. So his exposure to Cockney Life seems pretty minimal.
And as you say, no relation to Cockney Rhyming Slang, here's an example (hidden for the convenience of those not interested in this digression.
There was a cotty; so she went up, all ready with the basket and picked up the butter and all that with a little bit of birch she scrape it off and rub it and down her clothesee. Mum would be cross but... never mind. Clop clop on the door. This little cotty had a jar on the door, so she went in. Nobody there. Three baseload of porry on the tabloid, all slightly steamy huff, and nobody at. She called out: [as though down a cardboard tube] "Anyone home?" Nobody. Folly, folly, and a little hunger was with her, so she falolloped a taste out of the first basel.
This was the large baseload and too oversalty for the flabe p't't't spitty-how. Oh dear! Now the middload was a middle flabe which was not too oversalt and a sugar flabe on her saliva glam and it wasn't course quite satisfactual; so she did a tasty most in the little baseload there, and it was a joy. And oh [gulp] (pardlo!) as she stuffled it down! Oho dear! Now this was great, but there was also a little tiredness in the Goldyloppers and she sat on a three-lebber stool and -- tock falolloper! -- all the lebbers floating across the corm, sat on her bocus there, bruisey most.
Well, still there was no one around, so she went brrrrrr tock up the stairloaders. And she found a large bedding, not a caypack that eiderdown but stuffled with feathers, but here and there a stalk, as you know is a big feathersy eaglode and it stuckening in her back; and it was most uncomfortipold. So she saw the cotty, and in this cot she did lay down: [snore, zzzzz] deep sleevers under the eiderdobe.
His mother was technically Cockney (born in Bethnal Green, and brought up in West Ham), but we have no idea how she spoke, and, as stated, the specific prompt for Unwinese is not Cockney.
I have now looked it up, the original issue being open-minded versus closed-minded and I cited a Quora writer who defined original thinking (=open-mindedness) in terms of >130 IQ plus Myers-Briggs IN-type. I neither agree nor disagree with this; I was helping to find a definition to challenge the idea that anyone who seeks to understand the JAIC Report is a 'conspiracy theorist' as emphatically claimed by some posters. I was asked where I came across Myers-Briggs and I said circa late-80's. There then followed a strong denial British Mensa would ever let a psychologist have consent to apply such a questionnaire. But I remember it distinctly and I am right because here is a third-party independent corroboration:
according to Dr. John Gieniec’s research in 1987, Mensans have more in common than IQ levels. Mensans also score similarly on another famous test, the Myers-Briggs Personality Type Indictor. He found that 73% of Mensans are Introverted and 27% Extroverted, compared to the general population’s 25% Introverted 75% Extroverted. A mere 10% of Mensans are Sensing, but 90% are Intuitive, while only 25% of non-Mensans are considered Intuitive. So most Mensans are intuitive introverts.
His mother was technically Cockney (born in Bethnal Green, and brought up in West Ham), but we have no idea how she spoke, and, as stated, the specific prompt for Unwinese is not Cockney.
I see that you are in fact capable of citing, linking to, and quoting sections of the JAIC report. Please cite, link to, and quote the section that says that the Estonia floated on a 90° list.
I remembered the important detail that it was a uni project and nothing to do with Bjorkman. The poster wanting me to go back years searching was just being mischievous. You asked where I saw it and I went to the trouble to find out via my screenshot folder and was able to tell you via Bing lens it was from Heiwa site and credits Strathclyde. What thanks do I get? None at all. Just cheap jibes.
It was ME who correctly identified the original source as the University of Strathclyde after you confidently declared you knew it was from Edinburgh Uni.
it was ME who correctly identified that you took the image from Heiwa, because you were using Bjorkman's version with his graphics overlaid.
You then lied and said you didn't get it from Bjorkman's website and couldn't remember what website you got it from.
At no point did you say you got it from Heiwa (Bjorkman's website) or use Bing lens to identify it.
This is absolutely despicablly and transparently dishonest.
Let's put the record straight. A poster demanded to know where I got the phrase from. I said some Cockney guy. I was told I was a liar by a couple of guys who claim to know what I have and haven't heard.
His mother was technically Cockney (born in Bethnal Green, and brought up in West Ham), but we have no idea how she spoke, and, as stated, the specific prompt for Unwinese is not Cockney.
The irony is that Cockney Rhyming Slang is generally considered to have developed as a cryptolect specifically intended not to be understood by outsiders, whereas Unwinese worked precisely because everyone understood it even though it appeared to be gibberish. They're the opposite of each other
Let's put the record straight. A poster demanded to know where I got the phrase from. I said some Cockney guy. I was told I was a liar by a couple of guys who claim to know what I have and haven't heard.
As we know, Estonia, formerly Viking Sally, was designed with a rising outer bow (hence, 'visor'). Here's what it looked like when this 'visor' was up.
As can be seen, when the visor was up, the car deck (deck 2) was still high above the waterline.
Another clue is that a disproportionately large number of passenger survivors came from the lowest passenger deck 1. Why? Because that would appear to indicate where water first flooded in. In addition, the JAIC hypothesis that the water flooded into the car deck and then overflowed via open doors located along the car deck centre. But Margus Kurm ROV showed the centre doors to be shut, not open, as predicted by JAIC.
It was ME who correctly identified the original source as the University of Strathclyde after you confidently declared you knew it was from Edinburgh Uni.
it was ME who correctly identified that you took the image from Heiwa, because you were using Bjorkman's version with his graphics overlaid.
You then lied and said you didn't get it from Bjorkman's website and couldn't remember what website you got it from.
At no point did you say you got it from Heiwa (Bjorkman's website) or use Bing lens to identify it.
This is absolutely despicablly and transparently dishonest.
I must have missed your post in which you correctly identified the original source as the University of Strathclyde after you confidently declared you knew it was from Edinburgh Uni, bearing in mind I am not interested in such trivia.
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