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The sinking of MS Estonia: Case Reopened Part VII

Vixen said:
A vessel is deliberately designed to be buoyant. A car is not. So you are not comparing like for like. Try sinking a plastic duck in the bath.
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If it's on its way to the sea bed it isn't buoyant any longer.
When it's on the sea bed its not buoyant.
It has the same mass buoyant or not, why do you think the ships in the pictures I posted are damaged even though they are buoyant?
 
JesseCuster said:
That's either a completely dishonest interpretation of what I said, or your reading comprehension is truly abysmal.

You used an image from Bjorkman's website, and then explicitly denied that you got it from Bjorkman's website. You were caught out again being sleazy and dishonest about your sources.

I bet you can't and won't say where you actually got the image from.
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It is an image on Heiwa website and it is clearly credited to Strathclyde University. IOW it is not Bjorkman's work.

No ship can float like this! According Strathclyde University it can in faked, criminal animations! Antti Arak and Ain-Alar Juhanson are the two persons on the bow of M/S Estonia. They say (actually lie!) that they walked on the horizontal side of the ship to the bow and climbed down on a closed ramp, the ship was rolling in full storm, when the list was 90° at around 01.30 hrs ... and that the visor was missing!
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Heh heh, Strathclyde did NOT like Heiwa using it:

To Mrs Kochanowska, Strathclyde University, 23 December 2009 (from Anders Björkman):

Dear Mrs Kochanowska!
Two senior staff at your university (a professor and a lecturer) have fairly recently published some 'research' that I consider fraudulent. I have of course published my findings (at http://heiwaco.tripod.com/vassalos.htm) and explained the fraud and one result is that said persons threaten to sue me in France (where I live), unless I remove a fair number of pages from my web site, where the fraud is described.

Evidently I will not remove said information. On the other hand I would like to draw attention of the fraud to the University headmaster or president and board of governors for their action to protect the reputation of the University, and I would be much obliged that you provide me with their style and addresses and any relevant info how to proceed.

With best regards

Yours sincerely

Anders Björkman, M.Sc, Heiwa Co - European Agency for Safety at Sea, Beausoleil, France http://heiwaco.tripod.com
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zooterkin said:
Stanly Unwin? Not so much an expert on slang, but the inventor of his own language, Unwinese, which featured on the album. Also not a Cockney, either.

(I've had the pleasure of meeting both Unwin's son and his grandson, who have both recited Stanley's words with the tribute band the Small Fakers when they've performed the whole album live.)
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Deep joy!

Are you sitting comfortablybold, two square on your botty?
 
JesseCuster said:
From Google AI (one of Vixen's trusted sources)

Prompt: Is "kemosabe" cockney slang?
"No, "kemosabe" is not Cockney slang; it is an Americanism popularized by the radio and TV show The Lone Ranger, originating from an Ojibwe or Potawatomi word. The term, used by the character Tonto for the Lone Ranger, is often translated as "trusted friend" or "trusty scout". "

Vixen is going to be unable to provide any valid references or citations whatsoever for kemosabe being Cockney slang meaning "understand?" and which is a play on words of some sort. The best she can do is some allegerd anonymous guy she knew who was supposedly an expert on cockney slang.

Vixen, this is utterly pathetic.
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This particular mulberry bush has been circled many times in the past. Here's a few references from last time..

P.J. Denyer

Cont: Post in thread 'The sinking of MS Estonia: Case Reopened Part VI'

Vixen said:
Wait. Are you saying Del Boy and Dessie's wide boy friend also used the phrase? Whilst it is obviously a reference to the Lone Ranger, I am sceptical it has anything to do with 'an Algonquin dialect' as far as Del Boy from Peckham is concerned.
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The Lone Ranger was shown in Britain, the phrase was popularised in that as I said in the post you quoted. It was what Tonto called the Lone Ranger, hence it being used as "friend". Del Boy also misused French expressions despite not being from Paris.


The Definitive Word on "Kemo Sabe"

We all know, or at least those of us over 30...
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I think though I'll just repeat what I said back in 2023, for practical purposes it's from "The Lone Ranger" (which was shown on TV in Britain in the 1970's) and on the rare occasion it's used in Britain it's used like "my friend" or "mate", it does have a reputation in popular culture for being used by people trying and failing to come across as clever, most famously by Del Boy in "Only Fools and Horses" but also by Dessie's spivish, wide-boy friend in the film adaption of "The Snapper" by Roddie Doyle (set in Ireland).

But this is irrelevant, because of course it's just a distraction.
 
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Vixen said:
The whole reason East End villains developed slang was so they could communicate below the radar. The idea that if it's not on Merriam-Webster it never existed is pathetic.
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I never said anything about it not being on Merriam-Webster or in any other dictionary. I said I couldn't find it *anywhere*.

Why are there online websites and sources tell you all about Cockney slang, what it means, the etymology, history, etc. yet not a mention *anywhere* of "kemosabe" being Cockney slang for "understand?"

Because it doesn't exist. You used it entirely wrongly, and desperate to avoid admitting a mistake, are now pretending that it's genuine Cockney slang, that nobody else on the planet (apart from your made-up anonymous expert) has ever heard of.
 
Vixen said:
Now a car sinking in 70m of water is not likely to suffer the same amout of damage travelling at the same speed.
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At car traveling at 70mph under water slamming into, well, anything will receive the same damage it will on land. In fact, the water's surface is enough to total a car at the right speed and angle of impact. There is no debate on this one. You continue to shoot yourself in the foot with these awful analogies. You can't be the only person never to see WWII gun-camera footage of Japanese Zeroes crashing into the ocean. Why do people who jump from high bridges die on impact with the water?

Holy cow. Just stop.
 
Vixen said:
Try sinking a plastic duck in the bath.
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Do you weigh the same as this duck?

Also, if I cut a hole in the plastic duck it will submerge, but probably not sink. And the reason is density, the plastic duck is less dense than the remaining water in the tub. In fact, this argument undermines your point, and underlines the forces involved in knocking the bow ramp off, filling the interior of the ship enough to sink it, AND the impact on the sea floor fracturing the hull where it came into contact with rocks.

You literally do not understand water on any level.
 
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