Iran Starts Enrichment

Enjoy your freedom to speak disparagingly about daddy?
Who's your daddy? Oh, you're talking about Bush, the president, right?

Good, we're glad.
How come I get the impression that you're not?

Now go to Iran and try to speak badly about Iran.
Is there anything in particular you'd like me to say? Why don't you go yourself?

Or hell, stand on a corner in Denmark and try it.
Do you actually believe in the myth that the Danes are afraid of badmouthing the Moslems in the country? Apparently you do! The Danish Moslems are the ones who are scared s***less. And you think that's a good thing, right?
But I can see how comfortable it is to sit in North America badmouthing Moslems and worshipping the local leaders of state.
I think that you can get away with that in Iran too, you know!
 
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The Danish Moslems are the ones who are scared s***less.
Do you have any evidence for that? The Hizb-ut-Tahrir people didn't seem very scared this weekend.
I suppose some Danish Muslims may be scared ◊◊◊◊◊◊◊◊ by other Danish Muslims, but somehow I don't think that's what you meant.
 
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Is there anybody on the planet who thinks they only want to generate electricity?

There are LOTS of people who desperately want to believe that, and will indulge in any fantasy scenario to support that delusion. The condition may well turn out to be terminal.
 
a) Irans government is not accountable to Iranians,
Let me get this straight: Weren't the Americans pretty happy with the election of the present leader of state in Iran until he turned out to anti-American??

b) Iran's government is a theocracy,
Even more so than the American administration, yes.

c) Iran's government supports known terrorist groups,
America's doesn't? http://www.csmonitor.com/2005/0512/dailyUpdate.html

d) Iran's government rejects the entire world and begins uranium enrichment,
America's government wants to control the whole world and it has the weapon's that enables it to do so.

e)Iran's leader calls the holocaust a myth
Now that is stupid ... and a perfectly good reason to bomb 'em, apparently! Creating images of the enemy appears to be a universal requirement when preparing for war ...

and states repeatedly that Israel's destruction is close at hand.
Unlike America's leaders who have repeatedly destroyed and ruined countries and populations, but happen to like Israel, their controlling force in the Middle East. And unlike America's leaders who would never state repeatedly that Syria's and Iran's destruction is close at hand.

It's doesn't take a "rocket surgeon" ;) to see where this is headed.
Indeed, it doesn't: Hurrah, the USA is going to war!

Usually humans follow the path of least resistance so I suspect appeasement is where this will lead...that is until it is too late - see: "the annexation of the Czech-Sudenland" as a lesson in appeasement.
Czech Sudetenland was occupied by Hitler's troops on the pretext that they did not treat the German-speaking population right. Many German-speaking Czechs happened to be Jewish (like Kafka's relatives, for instance, who didn't survive it) and therefore didn't welcome the annexation. A lot of Czech-speaking Czechs weren't too happy either. And even a lot of German-speaking 'Aryan' Czechs weren't too fond of the German occupation if they didn't happen to be Nazis ...
None of them had any powerful allies, however. No other European (or American) nation considered them or their territory to be of much interest, so in the view of the world the annexation wasn't very interesting. In hindsight, however, when you imagine the existence of a concerned but too lenient world looking on in dismay, it turns into a case of too much appeasement.
The same way anybody who doesn't want to go to war with Iran is looked upon as naïve and gullible, unlike the realistic guys who buy everything their government tells them about the next enemy whose image is being prepared for attack right now.
(Is there any comparison in WW2 for that attitude?)
 
Lemme ask you this with a straight face. Suppose the papers do also show how to form rods as well as hemispheres. Are you suggesting we should give Iran the benefit of the doubt? :eye-poppi
No. No benefit of the doubt for Iran.
I do suggest that we get the details right and separate hype from reality.
Informed decisions are better decisions.
 
Do you have any evidence for that? The Hizb-ut-Tahrir people didn't seem very scared this weekend.
Representing the most extreme Moslems in Denmark they are probably one of the groups that may benefit from the polarization taking place now.
I suppose some Danish Muslims may be scared s***less by other Danish Muslims, but somehow I don't think that's what you meant.
Yes, you probably cannot imagine that it makes an impression on these people when their cemetaries are desecrated and anti-immigration politicians like Pia Kjærsgaard and Karen Jespersen are on TV with their smear-campaigns every night, can you?
http://213.237.52.131/wakfweb/news.nsf/ByUID/2C0A1EB0E82E844CC1256F42007CAAB6?OpenDocument
 
Yes, you probably cannot imagine that it makes an impression on these people when their cemetaries are desecrated and anti-immigration politicians like Pia Kjærsgaard and Karen Jespersen are on TV with their smear-campaigns every night, can you?
So no evidence at all then? Thought as much.
 
Sorry, I missed this one.

How much evidence do you need for something that obvious? The weird thing is (well, it isn't really weird at all) that nobody seems to care what it's like to be a Moslem in Denmark these days - xenophobia in Denmark being what it is. We hear reports all the time about Danes fearing to go on holidays to Moslem countries like Egypt (so many reports that Egypt now has to start a new campaign to convince the Danes that they have nothing to fear) - in spite of the fact that no Dane has been hurt by Moslems after the publication of the stupid cartoons. The hotdog seller on Frederiksberg who reported to the police that he was attacked by a gang of Moslems for selling pork sausages turned out to be a liar - albeit eagerly quoted by the like-minded media: http://www.denmarkonline.dk/node/1345

That you are ignorant about what is going on in Denmark is really no excuse. You should try to come to terms with reality. This is not a new phenomenon - it's just been made worse by Jyllands-Posten's campaign and the succcessful attempts of Western politicians at using it to portray the Moslems as primitive and medieval (unlike our own enlightened Christians), the image of the enemy that they need for their next war in the Middle East.

2001:
http://www.kritiskemuslimer.dk/pressen/Muslimer_Frygter_Mere_Fremmedhad.htm
http://www.kritiskemuslimer.dk/pressen/skal_vi_klippe.htm

2004:
http://www.religion.dk/tema/tema:fid=100001640:aid=227909

2005:
http://www.m-i-d.dk/site/mediavis.asp?id=42
http://www.m-i-d.dk/site/mediavis.asp?id=40
http://nyhederne.tv2.dk/article.php?id=3093888

2006:
http://www.socialister.dk/avisen/viewarticle.asp?ArticleID=951
http://stop-terrorkrigen.dk/emner/fred_dk/060210_thomas_koppel_fogh_maa_gaa.htm
http://www.arbejderen.dk/index.aspx?F_ID=31915&TS_ID=1&S_ID=1&C_ID=197
http://www.dismedia.dk/content/view/723/59/
"Kamal Qureshi udtrykker bestyrtelse over, at de danske flag brændes og trædes under fode, og forståelse for begge vinkler i debatten: At danskere frygter, at deres civilisation er under pres, og at muslimer frygter, at de vil blive ofre for løse kanoner, der – inspireret af den hårde tone i debatten – handler på egen hånd."

'Kamal Qureshi is dismayed that the Danish flags are being burned and trampled on, and he has understanding for both sides in the debate: That the Danes fear that their civilization is under pressure"
(he shouldn't have any understanding for that silly idea, but in the present situation he probably feels that he has to. dann) "and that Moslems fear that they will become victims of 'loose cannons' who - inspired by the harsh tone in the debate - act on their own.'

Like, for instance, the desecrators of Moslem cemeteries mentioned above ...
 
Is there anybody on the planet who thinks they only want to generate electricity?
Sure there is, I met him myself., He lives in Bangladesh and has this cute little dog which he insists is the reincarnation of Elvis.
 
Is there anybody on the planet who thinks they only want to generate electricity?
You mean unlike the American nuclear power plants whose plutonium is safely taken care of, processed and turned into either harmless children's toys, hotel bibles (glow in the dark!) or fertilizer for the production of organical cereals?
 
You mean unlike the American nuclear power plants whose plutonium is safely taken care of, processed and turned into either harmless children's toys, hotel bibles (glow in the dark!) or fertilizer for the production of organical cereals?

Plutonium produced by existing nuclear powers gets put in shorage where people quitely pretend it does not exist. Most have stocks in the tens of tons. It isn't put into weapons because there is not shortage of weapons grade plutonium.
 
You mean unlike the American nuclear power plants whose plutonium is safely taken care of, processed and turned into either harmless children's toys, hotel bibles (glow in the dark!) or fertilizer for the production of organical cereals?

Does this in any way make Iran's nuclear ambitions any less of a concern?
 
No, it just shifts the focus to the already fulfilled nuclear ambitions of the USA and Israel - and thus away from the country that may or may not be trying to make a nuclear device that may or may not be an attempt to defend itself against the nuclear ambitions of the US vassal in the Middle East.
 
No, it just shifts the focus to the already fulfilled nuclear ambitions of the USA and Israel - and thus away from the country that may or may not be trying to make a nuclear device that may or may not be an attempt to defend itself against the nuclear ambitions of the US vassal in the Middle East.

errr .. you have heard that they think it is a really good idea to wipe Isreal out, haven't you?
 
Countries with weapons policing the ones without.. anyone else see a problem with that?
 
Define "lunatics" and explain why the countries with the weapons are not run by them? =D
 
errr .. you have heard that they think it is a really good idea to wipe Isreal out, haven't you?
"they" being the so-called "Axis of Evil", a name given to them for mere decorum and not because the USA in any way wants to destroy them, right?
 
OK. There is no problem with Islamic fundimentalists, swornd to destroy Isreal, who think it peachey keen to kill themselves in the service of Allah and who have missles that can reach western Europe having nuklear devices. Your logic and moral equivilization are quite sound.

Carry on.
 

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