Transwomen are not Women - Part 15

Agatha said:
Coming from the past to confirm - because I was there - that there were no arrests at the planned 199 Days Later protest in London, however there were three arrests at the relatively unplanned counter protest by the TRAs. The Met Police did a fantastic job at corralling the TRA counter-protestors away from us. The counter-protestors were violent and shouted insults at us; we ignored them and continued to march without engaging with them at all.

We got a lot of support from both Londoners and tourists (and from lots of submariners who were in London on leave) especially on the issue of male sex offenders in women's prisons.

We had a peaceful protest on a planned and agreed route from Parliament Square to Horse Guards Parade, then speeches, then our group went to a pub.

Unfortunately despite the aid of the wonderful passenger assist services on East Midland Trains and two really lovely helpful cabbies (the wheelchair ramps are under the cab floors and they just pull them out, it's so clever), the day took more energy than I had anticipated so I was unwell for a few days afterwards, otherwise I would have corrected Thermal's error earlier.
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Thanks for telling us that. I'm sorry you weren't feeling so good afterwards.

It's good to hear again that it all went off so well. I had intended to go to the Edinburgh one (which also went off without incident other than the police being asked to escort away the egregious Euan ("Sophie Molly") from the centre of the women's group. He announced on Twitter that he was joining the NUJ to get a press pass, but then realised he was unlikely to get anything in time for the event. (He's not likely to get anything, full stop, as he is not a journalist.) He then moved to appealing for someone to (illegally) lend him their press pass. No takers, of course. So he turned up with a forged pass, with a QR code that apparently went to some product in the Argos catalogue or something like that. He had a cheap notebook and a tiny pencil from Ikea. One of the women organisers asked a policeman to remove him, which was eventually done, but all the while the policeman was urging the woman to "be kind" and stop referring to Euan as "he". The woman gave the bobby an absolute earful about how she'd had a bellyful of being kind, and she'd call a man a man if she damn well pleased. Surprisingly, she was not arrested for hate speech.

Later (as far as I remember, I wasn't really noting the details), Euan did actually have an article full of hate for the "terfs" published online in some local rag or other. He was then boasting that this made him a journalist so he was sure to get his press pass. But (I may have got this bit wrong) I believe the article was taken down soon afterwards. I don't really understand all this, except that the guy is a pest and more than a pest. He's one of the group behind the systematic reporting of women to the police for transphobia and hate speech, leading to women being interviewed under caution and even arrested. Of course "Lynsay Watson" is the most egregious of that lot. Euan is on some kind of disability benefits but he seems able-bodied and travels regularly from Aberdeen to make a nuisance of himself. Oh, and he claims to be biologically female. Right.

So I'm kind of sorry I missed all that fun. But it turned out it was the Saturday of the week I was in Brighton for the World Fantasy Writers' Convention (it's my friend who is the fantasy writer, not me, but she persuaded me it would be a fun weekend), and that in turn caused me to miss the EMFS singing day in Falkirk which is where I would really have liked to be, but there you go.
 
Matthew Best said:
Hmmmm. I'm skeptical. Can you point me towards arrest records from the Scottish police to back this account up?
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It's funny, I know, but then it's not funny.

Thermal obviously, and quite rightly, disapproves of people who "bring violence" to a peaceful meeting. He was all over this when he inexplicably thought that it was the women's group who had brought violence to a peaceful meeting of trans supporters. When he finally had to accept that it was the other way around, no condemnation of the violence was forthcoming. Instead his mistake was pronounced "insignificant" and we were still the baddies for reasons that somehow escape me.

I am utterly sick and tired of being accused of bare-faced lying, for posting an account of an incident for comment. Thermal's comment then consists of an assertion that the account is fabricated, lying, or grossly misreported. Usually merely because he doesn't like the source, be it Reduxx, or the Daily Mail or ripx4nutmeg. I am then enjoined to produce evidence to support the veracity of the story, evidence that is of course not available, because the left-wing press never reports these things.

Is there even a publicly accessible list of "arrest records" one can access for Police Scotland? It's not something I'm aware of. In this case Thermal's decision to disbelieve both the Daily Mail and GB News reports about a meeting in London, on the grounds that he could find no record of any arrests by Police Scotland (I wonder where he looked for such records), was quite mindboggling.

And yet we're the ones who are being castigated as liars and trolls, because he has the "receipts". I'm not really inclined to tolerate another return with a repeat of these accusations after all this.
 
Rolfe said:
Is there even a publicly accessible list of "arrest records" one can access for Police Scotland?
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No, it's not a thing in the UK, you can only get access to your own records.

However:
The New Jersey Open Public Records Act means that most arrest records are available to anyone in the state.
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Aber said:
No, it's not a thing in the UK, you can only get access to your own records.
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That's what I thought. I have never in my life seen anyone refer to publicly accessible records of arrest in Scotland. So was this yet another lie? I can't see how it could be interpreted otherwise. He specifically stated that the Scottish police had no records of arrests at a trans protest, when this is not information he could have accessed.

Thermal said:
However, someone should tell thr Scottish police about this. They have no record of arrests at a trans protest at all.
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Why is it that trans advocates can't seem to engage without dishonesty and lies? And insults.
 
When I was taking a University introductory psychology class, I flipped through the abnormal psychology textbook and saw some pictures of those "suffering" Histrionic Personality Disorder. That's exactly who the "dolls" remind me of. There's that desperate need to be acknowledged and affirmed as something they're not. Live and Let Live and acceptance isn't enough for them. Everybody else needs to notice and play along too. That's why they're so vicious when challenged or ignored, I suspect. They don't want to be accepted. They want to be celebrated.
 
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They certainly have some sort of disorder. They need appropriate treatment, not affirmation as "stunning and brave", celebration on the BBC, and an all-areas access pass to women's facilities.
 
Rolfe said:
I couldn't agree more.
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The 'night clothes' one is interesting...

It's quite common around here, to see young Asian people (males and females) to be out in public, in their pyjamas.

I'm assuming that this is a distinct cultural difference.

I can remember as a child, that if a neighbour was seen outdoors in their pyjamas (and dressing-gown typically) everyone would be immediately worried that they may be having some kind of mental health episode.

Even staying home and wearing your pyjamas during the day, was seen as some kind of aberration.

:)
 
Obviously there are cultural differences. It's about fitting into your society by falling in with its cultural norms. I'm not denying that this can be taken too far, or that there are times when cultural norms should be told to go take a hike, but most of the time abiding by them is the way to integrate with the people you may need, and who may need you, in adverse times.

Grown men wandering the streets in pink tutus with "Sissy" on the front is not a healthy way of challenging these norms.
 
Rolfe said:
Obviously there are cultural differences. It's about fitting into your society by falling in with its cultural norms. I'm not denying that this can be taken too far, or that there are times when cultural norms should be told to go take a hike, but most of the time abiding by them is the way to integrate with the people you may need, and who may need you, in adverse times.

Grown men wandering the streets in pink tutus with "Sissy" on the front is not a healthy way of challenging these norms.
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It's amazing, the degree to which the "+" has co-opted the LGB+ community into enabling their insanity.
 
Oh, sigh. Just this evening, and I confess this was the BBC, but I was watching a programme about extremely filthy Gaelic poetry and pornography. Purely to improve my language skills, you understand. The topic veered towards same-sex relationships and how these were regarded in the times the programme was covering (16th to 18th centuries, mainly), and in the course of this the presenter spoke about the attitudes to "LGBTQ" people in these days.

I nearly jumped down the TV screen to grab her by the throat and scream "There were no TQ people in these days and probably no B either, you force-teaming transmaiden."
 
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novaphile said:
The 'night clothes' one is interesting...

It's quite common around here, to see young Asian people (males and females) to be out in public, in their pyjamas.

I'm assuming that this is a distinct cultural difference.

I can remember as a child, that if a neighbour was seen outdoors in their pyjamas (and dressing-gown typically) everyone would be immediately worried that they may be having some kind of mental health episode.

Even staying home and wearing your pyjamas during the day, was seen as some kind of aberration.

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This was normalized during the COVID lockdowns when kids were forced to stay home. Then it became a trend when they came back to school...even for those who never had to stay home.

My non-asian 17yo daughter went to her swim practice today in Qantas airline pajamas over her swimsuit. I make remarks but she is too old for me to change her clothes now. The school still has rules for revealing or 'violent' clothing. Roomy cotton pants in plaid aren't all that concerning for them.
A boy in a skirt also wouldn't be an issue except to get teased mercilessly.
 
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Ziggurat said:
I do think people should wear what they please. I want that man to dress like that, because then I know what I'm actually dealing with. It's aposematism in action. Although in this case, it doesn't signal a warning to potential predators, but to potential prey.
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I agree. Its a variation on "when they tell you who they are... believe them!"
 
I think it would be difficult to impossible to prescribe or proscribe what people wear, beyond the general laws about public decency. However that wasn't quite my point. The mantra "dress as you please" seems to imply that no opprobrium should be directed at people in respect of the way they dress. I disagree entirely. Come out in public dressed in a pink tutu with "sissy" across your chest, and unless you are under the age of about ten max, I reserve the right to believe that you're somewhat strange at best. If you're a middle-aged or elderly man, I reserve the right to call you a pervert.
 
Agatha said:
The Met Police did a fantastic job at corralling the TRA counter-protestors away from us. The counter-protestors were violent and shouted insults at us; we ignored them and continued to march without engaging with them at all.
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So I will restate what I said that triggered Thermal to embark on his error-strewn rantings

"Once again, as is always the case, it is the trans activists who bring the violence to protests!"

Agatha said:
Unfortunately despite the aid of the wonderful passenger assist services on East Midland Trains and two really lovely helpful cabbies (the wheelchair ramps are under the cab floors and they just pull them out, it's so clever), the day took more energy than I had anticipated so I was unwell for a few days afterwards, otherwise I would have corrected Thermal's error earlier.
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I hope you have improved, and good on you for going in the first place.
 
I think it's about speed. You need to click on "Reader View" ASAP, before the javascript kicks in.

Actually, I just clicked on that link and it's still opening the whole article for me, without a paywall, just as it was yesterday.
 
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Of course, these are just isolated individuals (even more of them).
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I'll say it again. I don't care how many shy, vulnerable trans-identifying men there are out there who really really want to use women's facilities. I don't care how often I'm urged to "be kind" to these poor souls. There is nothing that excuses opening our intimate spaces to these grotesque perverts. Men need to step up and take responsibility for any nonconforming men whose apprehension over using men's facilities is justified. If any exist, of course.
 
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Matthew Best said:
I don't know how you get Reader View to work - in Firefox it just gives me the same truncated page as I get normally.
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I have the "Disable Javascript" extension on my Firefox. It sits on the extensions bar and looks like a little on/off slide switch. When the page opens, I cloik the switch, and it prevents Javascript from cutting out everything below the headline.
 
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