The sinking of MS Estonia: Case Reopened Part VII

[zooterkin]

He was the freaking Defence Secretary (despite managing to dodge the draft three times).

But not CEO of Halliburton, at the time, which is what you claimed, remember?

 

[JayUtah]

You know better than eye witnesses who were there?

I made no such claim. I do claim to know better than you how water works.

 

[zooterkin]

Rendition programmes, pretexts to invade Iraq, MWD [which didn't exist], the guy didn't miss an opportunity to profit.

 

[JayUtah]

MS Estonia was not a merchant ship, it was a passenger ferry and staff were expected to be seen in uniform.

A passenger ferry is a merchant ship. And people wear different uniforms depending on circumstances. We discussed this.

 

[Vixen]

But not CEO of Halliburton, at the time, which is what you claimed, remember?

Rockwater was end of Nov 1994. Cheney was appointed CEO 1995. The JAIC did not come out until end of 1997. How long do you think it takes to appoint a CEO, especially where it has to approved by the board of directors and shareholders, etc.

 

[Vixen]

A passenger ferry is a merchant ship. And people wear different uniforms depending on circumstances. We discussed this.

Yes, we discussed this. Andresson was very old school Russian-style; stand to attention and all that stuff.

 

[JayUtah]

Yes, we discussed this. Andresson was very old school Russian-style; stand to attention and all that stuff.

How do you know what he was wearing at the time the ship sank?

 

[Vixen]

How do you know what he was wearing at the time the ship sank?

If laid-back Finns wear the uniform then of course the Estonians did too, as they were part of the same market.

 

[junkshop]

Er, Dick Cheney was US Secretary of Defence under then POTUS George HW Bush.

Er, Dick Cheney was US Secretary of Defence under then POTUS George HW Bush until January 1993.

Er, Estonia sank in September 1994.

Er, the Rockwater dive was in December 1994.

Er, Cheney became CEO of Halliburton in October 1995.

Cheney is not relevant.

 

[Reformed Offlian]

He was, at that time, working for two think-tanks - the Council on Foreign Relationships and the American Enterprise Institute. He was not at Haliburton. He is not relevant here.

*cue (or, if you prefer, 'Q') the inevitable waffling about how nefariou the CFR is*

 

[Steve]

If laid-back Finns wear the uniform then of course the Estonians did too, as they were part of the same market.

So you don't know what he was wearing at the time the ship sank.

 

[JayUtah]

If laid-back Finns wear the uniform then of course the Estonians did too, as they were part of the same market.

That didn't answer my question. How do you know what the captain was wearing when the ship went down?

 

[Mojo]

Rockwater was end of Nov 1994. Cheney was appointed CEO 1995.

On this forum, we obey the laws of thermodynamics.

 

[Steve]

Er, Dick Cheney was US Secretary of Defence under then POTUS George HW Bush until January 1993.

Er, Estonia sank in September 1994.

Er, the Rockwater dive was in December 1994.

Er, Cheney became CEO of Halliburton in October 1995.

Cheney is not relevant.

Cheney is relevant to Vixen. As the "Oh look, a squirrel!" of the day.

 

[Reformed Offlian]

Er, Dick Cheney was US Secretary of Defence under then POTUS George HW Bush.

under *when* POTUS George HW Bush? Clinton was president for pretty much the entire relevant timeframe. But then, you don't seem to understand how time works.

 

[Vixen]

Er, Dick Cheney was US Secretary of Defence under then POTUS George HW Bush until January 1993.

Er, Estonia sank in September 1994.

Er, the Rockwater dive was in December 1994.

Er, Cheney became CEO of Halliburton in October 1995.

Cheney is not relevant.

HELLO! Unexpected disaster 28 Sept 1994. Urgent survey put to tender. Given to Rockwater 24 November 1994. HELLO!!! Up pops Dick Cheney as Halliburton CEO very shortly after.

 

[junkshop]

But not CEO of Halliburton, at the time, which is what you claimed, remember?

To be scrupulously fair, Vixen didn't claim that Cheney was CEO. She claimed that he owned Halliburton at the time.

 

[Vixen]

That didn't answer my question. How do you know what the captain was wearing when the ship went down?

I read it.

 

[Mojo]

That didn't answer my question. How do you know what the captain was wearing when the ship went down?

Never mind that, was he playing his ukulele?

 

[Vixen]

To be scrupulously fair, Vixen didn't claim that Cheney was CEO. She claimed that he owned Halliburton at the time.

OK so I misspoke, meaning CEO.