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The sinking of MS Estonia: Case Reopened Part VII

Wallpaper words.

Speculation and well poisoning.

Conspiratorial nonsense.

So what?
Er, Andi Meister was the Estonian government minister for transport when he was appointed head of the Estonian element of the JAIC. He resigned in protest of what he believed was information being withheld from the Estonian side by the Swedes.
 
It's a pertinent question to ask why Rockwater (part of the US Halliburton Group, the CEO, warmongerer, the late Dick Cheney) divers British/Irish were given the contract when Norwegian, Dutch and Swedish divers were more cost beneficial for the taxpayer plus logistically more familiar with the Baltic Sea. The obvious answer is the CIA element and US involvement. and interest in the disaster.
"I am not a conspiracy fantasist!!!" :ROFLMAO::LOL::oops::p
 
I did think about it, and decided that I didn't trust your statement that there is no mention of the bridge crew. So I checked, and it turns out that there is a chapter about it... How surprising... https://onse.fi/estonia/chapt13_2.html#1

Here is a small excerpt from that chapter.
Note the word 'assumption' instead of 'confirmed'. Of course the Jaic knew Tammes drowned because his body was recovered. The others are presumed to have drowned.
 
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What could they have told the enquiry if their corpses had been identified?
It would have proven as bunkum that the two naval divers who claimed they witnessed Captn Andresson had a bullet wound or bullet wounds to the head were mistaken. We are none the wiser as to whether Andresson was actually in control of the ship during the course of events, given the unidentified bod under the flagbox.
 
Come off it. Have you any idea how much money Lloyds underwriters are sitting on? It's almost bottomless. The shipbuilder could have easily settled in hundreds of millions, even billions, with non-disclosure agreements but didn't, because they didn't accept liability. (I have no idea whether they are right or wrong, except there has been no closure.)
Insurance doesn't replace damaged reputations, nor does it settle questions raised about competence. No amount of coverage can change the fact that a ship with their name on it is now covered by the Baltic Sea. I'll let the engineers in the discussion explain more about why that's important, should they so choose.

The shipbuilder went to some trouble and expense to commission this panel of German experts you keep talking about to develop alternative theories of the disaster. They clearly didn't just settle for undisclosed amounts and leave it at that.
 
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The first issue for any inquest or doctor is to first formally declare a person dead and to confirm their identity.
When that person is the point of the inquiry. Not so here.

Come off it. Have you any idea how much money Lloyds underwriters are sitting on? It's almost bottomless. The shipbuilder could have easily settled...
You've never worked in that industry. Your uninformed opinion is irrelevant.

Given that captains have been known to scarper off a sinking ship, you would have thought it was number one priority to establish Captain Andresson's demise.
"Because I say so."

...that briefcase.
Asked and answered.

The obvious answer is the CIA...
Conspiratorial twaddle.

Er, Andi Meister was...
Asked and answered. He is a poor source for the reasons already given.

It would have proven as bunkum that the two naval divers who claimed they witnessed Captn Andresson had a bullet wound or bullet wounds to the head were mistaken.
At best an unsubstantiated rumor. In any case, irrelevant to the investigation.
 
It's a pertinent question to ask why Rockwater (part of the US Halliburton Group, the CEO, warmongerer, the late Dick Cheney) divers British/Irish were given the contract when Norwegian, Dutch and Swedish divers were more cost beneficial for the taxpayer plus logistically more familiar with the Baltic Sea. The obvious answer is the CIA element and US involvement. and interest in the disaster.
According to "Analysgruppen" report, part 1 pages 89 and 90, the Swedish Maritime Administration did a public tender for the dive. 15 companies were invited to submit a proposal. 11 of them did. The contract was awarded to Rockwater A/S from Stavanger Norway.
 
The obvious answer is the CIA element and US involvement. and interest in the disaster.
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Why would I have thought that? They were tasked with investigating the reasons the ship sank. That was their number one priority. Not targets for revenge. Not seeking out officers who might, through some fantastically unlikely scenario, have survived undetected.
How can it ascertain how the ship sank if they haven't even verified the captain was at the steering wheel, as it were, when events unfolded? Responsibility has to be apportioned. Well of course they will have gone to some lengths for the answers, except it would appear to be 'classified' to us. The question is, why?
 
According to "Analysgruppen" report, part 1 pages 89 and 90, the Swedish Maritime Administration did a public tender for the dive. 15 companies were invited to submit a proposal. 11 of them did. The contract was awarded to Rockwater A/S from Stavanger Norway.
Er, owned by Halliburton in the USA and one of the most expensive of the tenders.
 
How can it ascertain how the ship sank if they haven't even verified the captain was at the steering wheel, as it were, when events unfolded? Responsibility has to be apportioned. Well of course they will have gone to some lengths for the answers, except it would appear to be 'classified' to us. The question is, why?
Remind us again how many forensic engineering investigations you have personally participated in? Use primes notation if necessary.
 
Er, owned by Halliburton in the USA and one of the most expensive of the tenders.
Show us the source of the evaluation of the different proposals, where they were rated from fulfilling the requirements, experience and cost.

The contract was awarded to a Norwegian company that has another owner. But you asked why a Norwegian company did not get the contract. That has been answered.
 
How can it ascertain how the ship sank if they haven't even verified the captain was at the steering wheel, as it were, when events unfolded? Responsibility has to be apportioned. Well of course they will have gone to some lengths for the answers, except it would appear to be 'classified' to us. The question is, why?
It's in the JAIC report that you claim that you have read and know. Actually in exactly the chapter that I linked to, the one that you did claim does not exist.
 
Show us the source of the evaluation of the different proposals, where they were rated from fulfilling the requirements, experience and cost.

The contract was awarded to a Norwegian company that has another owner. But you asked why a Norwegian company did not get the contract. That has been answered.
Tesla in Sweden is still owned by Tesla US, is it not; Elon Musk at the helm..?
 
How can it ascertain how the ship sank if they haven't even verified the captain was at the steering wheel, as it were, when events unfolded?

Identifying the corpses on the bridge will not tell us where the captain was as the ship got into trouble. Nor does the identity of the officer on charge on the bridge change what happened to the ship. You can blame the captain for driving his ship headlong into weather it couldn't handle whether or not he was standing on the bridge when the bow doors failed.

 
It's in the JAIC report that you claim that you have read and know. Actually in exactly the chapter that I linked to, the one that you did claim does not exist.
Saying 'it is an assumption' is akin to guesswork, when surely it MUST know. Well, of course, you might think it matters not a jot what the captain was doing or where he was, as one can blame the two strong waves.
 
How can it ascertain how the ship sank if they haven't even verified the captain was at the steering wheel, as it were, when events unfolded? Responsibility has to be apportioned. Well of course they will have gone to some lengths for the answers, except it would appear to be 'classified' to us. The question is, why?

When has a captain ever been at the steering wheel on a ship?

Do you think the captain actually steers a ship?

Why would anyone be at the steering wheel after engine power failed and the ship could no longer be steered?
 
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Tesla in Sweden is still owned by Tesla US, is it not; Elon Musk at the helm..?
Tesla Sweden AB is a Swedish company, that is owned by a US Company. That does not make the Staff at Tesla Sweden AB stop being Swedish.


Lets go back to the point you made:

It's a pertinent question to ask why Rockwater (part of the US Halliburton Group, the CEO, warmongerer, the late Dick Cheney) divers British/Irish were given the contract when
Norwegian, Dutch and Swedish divers were more cost beneficial for the taxpayer plus
logistically more familiar with the Baltic Sea. The obvious answer is the CIA element and US involvement. and interest in the disaster.

Is the "more familiar with the Baltic Sea" point connected to the ownership of the company, or to the employees?

ETA: Fixed typo
 
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