Wow, UK has lost freedom of speech

[catsmate]

You missed the following, or did you deliberateley ignore it? -

"The Met denies that the arrest was due to the Star of David necklace, saying that the man was arrested after allegedly "repeatedly breaching" an order from officers to keep opposing protest groups separated, the Telegraph reported."

Facts have no place in right-wing diatribes.

 

[catsmate]

Matthew, are you telling me that how this story was initially presented ("framed" if you will) was not totally an accurate version of events?

I'm shocked! Shocked, I tell you!

Where's my fainting chaise longue?

Well personally I was dubious when I saw the JP was the alleged source. That's a rag worse even than the Torygraph.

 

[catsmate]

In UKia? Sounds about right.

Naturally the poster was unaware of "gang colours" arrests in USAia.....

 

[ponderingturtle]

Naturally the poster was unaware of "gang colours" arrests in USAia.....

This is about white people though, so bringing up the darkies doesn't count.

 

[catsmate]

Meanwhile, why is this douchrbag free to stir up violence and racial hatred...

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... easy to answer really... politicians are afraid of his sway with their voters.

I assume you'll be producing a credible and less biased source for the claims? One that isn't a right-wing, ultra-nationalist free rag with a history of publishing distortions and fabrications?

It is, I suppose, mildly ironic that since you publish this nonsense Maccabi have further demonstrated their habitual thuggery.

Tel Aviv football derby between Hapoel and Maccabi called off after rioting

Israeli police make nine arrests, citing ‘disorderly conduct, riots, injured police officers’ and infrastructure damage

www.theguardian.com

But then I suppose such awkward facts don't concern you....

 

[catsmate]

How is this in breach of his freedom of expression?

Very true. In USAian he's have absolutely no recourse after dismissal.

 

[catsmate]

There's a difference between the Council putting up decorations legally and randomers putting up decorations illegally

Also the idiots are sticking them in dangerous places. If one of them is electrocuted putting a flag on a supply pole it cpuld inconvenience people due to the delay in removing the corpse and restoring supply.

 

[catsmate]

As long as the public can apply to have their flag put on the poles.

"The public" don't own the poles, so no this just idiotic.

 

[catsmate]

Hurty feelings

Ah, snowflakes.

 

[catsmate]

Were you intentionally ignoring the bit about the use of that particular flag as a deliberate act of provocation?

Does the word "sectarianism" mean anything to you? You might like to check out the history of the Six Counties or some recent history of Clydeside and Edinburgh: the rivalries between Celtic and Rangers or Hibs and Hearts are waaaaay more than just those between supportes of different teams. Compare and contrast with Birmingham City and Aston Villa, Manchesters City and United or even Everton and Liverpool.

Or Maccabi and Hapoel......

 

[smartcooky]

I see your transphobic dogwhistle there.

I don't see it as a dogwhistle, I see it as maintaining consistency.

I support women's rights unconditionally, I don't make any exceptions, unlike those who claim to support women's rights but make an exception to deny them male-free spaces. That is conditional support, and people who do that are ◊◊◊◊◊◊◊ hypocrites.

Interesting that you call my argument bull-◊◊◊◊ when I am explicitly agreeing with you on that.

Nope, you missed the point. Maybe I can explain it better...

You don't have to invoke edge cases to make a point, i.e. you don't have to make the rape argument, or the incest argument, or the promiscuity argument, or the health of the mother argument, or the economic argument. These arguments are all subordinate to the only argument that needs to be made... the only ne that matters.... that women have the absolute right to self-determination, and to complete autonomy over their bodies.

As you correctly stated earlier

Furthermore, the reason for someone having an abortion is nobody else's business!

And to relate this back to the Free Speech issue, I agree with the idea that all abortion protest, whatever side of the issue its is on, should be kept away from places that are offering abortions. They still have the free speech right to protest, just not where it can impact trumatized people. I still think it was wrong to arrest and charge the praying man. All they have done by doing so is given him and his fellow pro-lifers the attention they crave. Just detain him, move him outside the no-go zone, and keep him there.

 

[jeremyp]

While dopey is gone, for general interest the limit in Ireland is one hundred metres. Us having embraced the Metric system....

The limit in the UK is 150 metres which is only about 492 feet, the UK having also embraced the metric system in most areas of life.

This fact has been mentioned before on this thread but I guess nobody wanted the job of continually correcting Hercules on the point.

 

[Thermal]

...I still think it was wrong to arrest and charge the praying man. All they have done by doing so is given him and his fellow pro-lifers the attention they crave. Just detain him,move him outside the no-go zone, and keep him there.

Police tried to, for an hour and 40 minutes. The man, by his own admission, refused (and he also notified council that he was having a protest in the exclusion zone).

He was not physically drug by his hair down the street, that's true. Would that have been better than arresting him for his refusal to comply with a lawful police request?

 

[catsmate]

The limit in the UK is 150 metres which is only about 492 feet, the UK having also embraced the metric system in most areas of life.

This fact has been mentioned before on this thread but I guess nobody wanted the job of continually correcting Hercules on the point.

I remember, but it's too much to expect a USAian to understand the Metric system.

 

[Thermal]

I remember, but it's too much to expect a USAian to understand the Metric system.

That's a popular misconception. We are actually pretty down with it by now, although we joke about not getting it.

Our local runs are all 5k and 10k now. My snowboard length is in centimeters, as are all skis. My ultralights were all sized according to your weight in kg. Even water and soda bottles have been sold in liter and 2 liter for years. I'm installing a kitchen right now with metric sizing. It's second nature, not a calculation anymore. Most of my mixing of epoxies and even grout is done in mls. Hell, even our drug subculture has been familiar with the gram and kilo for decades, lol.

The only one we have no real use for is Centigrade. Zero to 100 in Fahrenheit is the usual outdoor temperature range extremes, which is where we most commonly use it. For other temps, it's a little weird to have to insert half degrees to be as accurate as ours is without them.

eta: actualy, there is one benefit to Centigrade: I couldn't get the spelling of Fahrenheit right given three tries

 

[Lithrael]

If an unplanned pregnancy traumatizes sexually active women, the UK has a pretty serious problem that can't be solved by abortions of convenience.

What about if a pregnancy that's going wrong traumatizes sexually active women? What about every other possible circumstance? And why should anyone have to put up with it just to make sure that the correct targets, women seeking abortions because they want to stop being pregnant, get to hear from randos about it on the way in to the clinic?

Why do you say ◊◊◊◊ like this? So that when people reply to list some of the scenarios where it's clearly reasonable to feel vulnerable to harassment, Cooky can jump in as though someone implied those were the only people anyone was concerned about?

 

[ponderingturtle]

I think we can all agree women who fail at the basic job of women, having children, should face harassment if they have a fetus with birth defects

 

[smartcooky]

That's a popular misconception. We are actually pretty down with it by now, although we joke about not getting it.

Our local runs are all 5k and 10k now. My snowboard length is in centimeters, as are all skis. My ultralights were all sized according to your weight in kg. Even water and soda bottles have been sold in liter and 2 liter for years. I'm installing a kitchen right now with metric sizing. It's second nature, not a calculation anymore. Most of my mixing of epoxies and even grout is done in mls. Hell, even our drug subculture has been familiar with the gram and kilo for decades, lol.

The only one we have no real use for is Centigrade. Zero to 100 in Fahrenheit is the usual outdoor temperature range extremes, which is where we most commonly use it. For other temps, it's a little weird to have to insert half degrees to be as accurate as ours is without them.

eta: actualy, there is one benefit to Centigrade: I couldn't get the spelling of Fahrenheit right given three tries

[nitpick]
You didn't get centigrade right either... its not spelled with an upper case "C" because it not a proper noun, unlike Fahrenheit which is.

Oh... and its not centigrade anyway, its Celsius... and that IS spelled with an upper case "C", because it is the name of the Swedish astronomer, Anders Celsius, who invented the scale in 1742.

Just sayin'

 

[theprestige]

An unplanned pregnancy can be pretty traumatising if it was caused by rape.

The debate about abortion rights in public policy would be very different if it were actually about making a humanitarian exception for rape victims.

 

[arthwollipot]

I don't see it as a dogwhistle, I see it as maintaining consistency.

I support women's rights unconditionally, I don't make any exceptions, unlike those who claim to support women's rights but make an exception to deny them male-free spaces. That is conditional support, and people who do that are ◊◊◊◊◊◊◊ hypocrites.

I'm sure you're aware that I completely and fundamentally disagree with that but I'm not going to bleed over into the Thread That Shall Not Be Named. Say it there instead. You won't see me.

Nope, you missed the point. Maybe I can explain it better...

You don't have to invoke edge cases to make a point, i.e. you don't have to make the rape argument, or the incest argument, or the promiscuity argument, or the health of the mother argument, or the economic argument. These arguments are all subordinate to the only argument that needs to be made... the only ne that matters.... that women have the absolute right to self-determination, and to complete autonomy over their bodies.

Yes. I agree. Why are you arguing with me?

And to relate this back to the Free Speech issue, I agree with the idea that all abortion protest, whatever side of the issue its is on, should be kept away from places that are offering abortions. They still have the free speech right to protest, just not where it can impact trumatized people.

Yes, I agree. Why are you arguing with me?

I still think it was wrong to arrest and charge the praying man. All they have done by doing so is given him and his fellow pro-lifers the attention they crave. Just detain him, move him outside the no-go zone, and keep him there.

Except that he broke a law. Are you suggesting that they should have let him break the law and not be charged? Wouldn't that only encourage more people to break the law?