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Wow, UK has lost freedom of speech

So what counts as harassment in your world, and how do we stop it before it happens?
All indications from Hercules56's posts are that it is not to be stopped before it happens. You allow the crime to take place and then arrest and prosecute.

Which completely flies in the face of smartcookie's position that the process is the punishment.

So if we combine the views of these two supposed free speech advocates you allow the crime to occur and then do not prosecute. Anarchy at it's finest in the name of free speech.
 
All indications from Hercules56's posts are that it is not to be stopped before it happens. You allow the crime to take place and then arrest and prosecute...
If you truly believe in Freedom of Speech, everyone should be given the benefit of the doubt that they can behave themselves. What you are talking about is called Prior Restraint and in the USA it is mostly illegal.


But I dont mind a reasonable exclusion zone of say 15' for all persons just in case.
 
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Its not.

You guys should arrest people committing harassment and other laws that breach the peace. Seems like you guys dont wanna do that.
How about this? Any person who engages in harassment by an abortion clinic gets a 500' restraining order against ALL medical facilities that provide abortions. Breaking such restraining order brings minimum prison time of 5 years.

That way everyone gets a chance to be nice. If they can't be nice, 500' away you must stay. Still can't be nice? Prison for 5 years.
They do exactly as you say here. You just don't like the law that people are arrested for
 
So arrest the person doing harassment.
They made exclusion zones to mitigate the need for a hundred cops and a caravan of paddy wagons that they would need at every "exercise of free speech"
All words other than financial assistance is harassment? LOL!!!!! OK bro.
Again with the "all".

What would one speak about that wouldn't be harassing to the women at the clinic? Specifics, please.
Good one bro!!
What radius for harassing women do you find appropriate? You've said spitting distance (15'), which you seem to think makes you impervious to violence (and I have some very bad physics news for you on that count). Do you have a preferred proximity for harassing women, or do you just want to make sure that the women themselves have to be subjected to your 'speech' where they have to hear it?
 
If you truly believe in Freedom of Speech, everyone should be given the benefit of the doubt that they can behave themselves. What you are talking about is called Prior Restraint and in the USA it is mostly illegal.

But I dont mind a reasonable exclusion zone of say 15' for all persons just in case.
I truly do not believe in unrestricted free speech. I believe that free speech must be balanced against the rights of others.
 
What radius for harassing women do you find appropriate? You've said spitting distance (15'), which you seem to think makes you impervious to violence (and I have some very bad physics news for you on that count). Do you have a preferred proximity for harassing women, or do you just want to make sure that the women themselves have to be subjected to your 'speech' where they have to hear it?
You have arms that can extend beyond 15'?????
 
If you truly believe in Freedom of Speech, everyone should be given the benefit of the doubt that they can behave themselves. What you are talking about is called Prior Restraint and in the USA it is mostly illegal.


But I dont mind a reasonable exclusion zone of say 15' for all persons just in case.
By that reasoning, guns and drugs should be allowed within 15 feet of a school playground. Don't want to priorly restrain those innocent coked-up gun toters, amirite?
 
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By that reasoning, guns and drugs should be allowed within 15 feet of a school.playground. Don't want to priorly restrain those innocent coked-up gun toters, amirite?
Protecting children seems to be a whole different animal, according to the law. I only know about such laws in 🇺🇲AMERICA.🇺🇲
 
Is this an attempt at humour? Needs work but you may actually be learning a little something from this thread.
My point is very ◊◊◊◊ ing valid.

You guys are demanding 500' of prior restraint so as to avoid needing a truckload of cops to enforce protection for every single abortion clinic in the country, but who will and how will they enforce this 500' prior restraint area?????????

Hmmm????? With drones? Iron Man robots?

No. With police.
 
Who is calling for allowing murder?
You. You are clearly calling for harassment to be allowed, and have categorised both harassment and murder in the same way, as activities that are illegal and against which the law should be enforced in the same way by being "prosecuted to the greatest extent possible". You don't seem to be interested in preventation.
 
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If you truly believe in Freedom of Speech, everyone should be given the benefit of the doubt that they can behave themselves. What you are talking about is called Prior Restraint and in the USA it is mostly illegal.


But I dont mind a reasonable exclusion zone of say 15' for all persons just in case.

And there you go again with irrelevant things about another country.
 

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