General Israel/Palestine discussion thread - Part 4

sure, it could be abused - but until it is, why not sue to save the lives of thousands of innocent people?
Is the abstract danger to Israel more important that the actual imminent danger of starvation and death for thousands?
Is a fictional Israel life really worth so much more than an actual Palestinian life?
 
The Great Zaganza said:
sure, it could be abused - but until it is, why not sue to save the lives of thousands of innocent people?
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This experiment has already been made. Open supply lines have already been abused by Hamas and its allies. That's how Hamas has been able to sustain rocket attacks and other terrorist violence for years. We're already at the "it's being abused, time to shut it down" stage.

The Great Zaganza said:
Is the abstract danger to Israel more important that the actual imminent danger of starvation and death for thousands?
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Hamas is not an abstract danger.

The Great Zaganza said:
Is a fictional Israel life really worth so much more than an actual Palestinian life?
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Hamas does not take fictional Israeli lives.

You're arguing like the blockade isn't justified, because Hamas has done nothing wrong yet.

In fact it's the other way around: The justification for the blockade is all the wrong things Hamas has already done.

You have taken an objectively pro-Hamas position.
 
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theprestige said:
It's their mission statement.

"In August and September 2025, boats of all sizes will set sail from ports around the world, converging toward Gaza to open a humanitarian corridor by sea."

Media & Press Kit - Global Movement to Gaza

globalsumudflotilla.org globalsumudflotilla.org

They say "humanitarian corridor", but a corridor is a corridor. They can't break the blockade only for civilians, and not for Hamas as well. They're gaslighting you.
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Oh dear, seems you have NO idea what a "humanitarian corridor" actually is.

Here's a hint: Its not so parties to the conflict can get weapons.

www.icrc.org

How humanitarian corridors work to help people in conflict zones

We answer your questions about the complex process of creating safe passages or humanitarian corridors.
www.icrc.org www.icrc.org
 
Hercules56 said:
Oh dear, seems you have NO idea what a "humanitarian corridor" actually is.

Here's a hint: Its not so parties to the conflict can get weapons.

www.icrc.org

How humanitarian corridors work to help people in conflict zones

We answer your questions about the complex process of creating safe passages or humanitarian corridors.
www.icrc.org www.icrc.org
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Already addressed. You can't have an uncontrolled access that's only humanitarian and not the other thing. Disrupting a blockade disrupts all the functions of the blockade, not just the functions you're personally against.
 
theprestige said:
Already addressed. You can't have an uncontrolled access that's only humanitarian and not the other thing. Disrupting a blockade disrupts all the functions of the blockade, not just the functions you're personally against.
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So check the loads for weapons and if there are no weapons, let them pass!!!!
 
theprestige said:
That's exactly what Israel is doing, at its established entry points. Global Sumud is not entitled to establish a new entry point on a whim, and demand accommodation.
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That is a lie.

Israel does not allow groups to bring aid, have it checked by Israel, and then they can move on into Gaza.
 
Hercules56 said:
That is a lie.

Israel does not allow groups to bring aid, have it checked by Israel, and then they can move on into Gaza.
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Israel allows groups to bring aid to a designated checkpoint, where it is inspected and then passed through. Global Sumud is not entitled to set up their own checkpoint, and demand accommodation from Israel.
 
theprestige said:
Israel allows groups to bring aid to a designated checkpoint, where it is inspected and then passed through. Global Sumud is not entitled to set up their own checkpoint, and demand accommodation from Israel.
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I am not allowed to sail a ship to Gaza to deliver food, EVEN if I consent to the 🔻 IDFascists checking the aid for weapons first.
 
Hercules56 said:
I am not allowed to sail a ship to Gaza to deliver food, EVEN if I consent to the
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Correct. Taking your own vehicle and person into Gaza is not currently allowed, due to the state of war that currently exists between Israel and Hamas in that region.

In theory, Israel could inspect your person and your vehicle, to ensure you're not smuggling anything in a hidden compartment or such like that, but it's not really practical. Much simpler and safer to just offload the aid itself, and transfer it to known-good vehicles and personnel for delivery into Gaza proper.

You're not entitled to demand that Israel accommodate your wish to be an independent aid delivery service into Gaza. Neither is Global Sumud.
 
theprestige said:
The blockade runners aren't victims. They're informed, intentional participants in an armed conflict. They are not victimized, by being intercepted, detained, investigated, and deported. Those are all perfectly normal things to happen to someone who chooses to run a blockade. Greta isn't a metaphorical rape victim in this, she's a metaphorical porn star.
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They are victims of being abused, beaten, and kept in inhumane conditions. That's not even how you are supposed to treat prisoners of war, let alone civilians.
 
arthwollipot said:
They are victims of being abused, beaten, and kept in inhumane conditions. That's not even how you are supposed to treat prisoners of war, let alone civilians.
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This describes the Israeli hostages being held incommunicado by HAMAS & Co.

Hercules56, the reports I have seen indicate the negotiations are moving forward, and Israel's team is 'cautiously optimistic'
Delegations from Qatar, Turkey and the United States are continuing to arrive in Sharm el-Sheikh to participate in the talks.
Why do you believe that the presented outline for HAMAS to end the war is going to fail?
 
You can't get more colonial than making a plan about the future of a country without any involvement of the people of the country... and be outraged that the people want to negotiate the deal
 
The Great Zaganza said:
You can't get more colonial than making a plan about the future of a country without any involvement of the people of the country... and be outraged that the people want to negotiate the deal
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You mean just like Germany and Japan negotiated peace deals……

You must know that throughout history losers of wars don’t get to negotiate favourable peace deals.
 
theprestige said:
You're arguing like the blockade isn't justified, because Hamas has done nothing wrong yet.
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what an outrageous lie - and what a pathetic attempt at making an argument.


maybe mull over the fact that you can't tell the difference between saving starving, wounded and sick civilians and having a pro-Hamas position.
In the face of genocide, there is only one legitimate position you should err on.
 
lionking said:
You mean just like Germany and Japan negotiated peace deals……

You must know that throughout history losers of wars don’t get to negotiate favourable peace deals.
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I think you need to learn history and read the plan, and see who made it.
The Allied Forces took up responsibilities and consulted the representatives of the defeated Axis Powers. And they were on the ground.
Trump and Blair are supposed rule Gaza from Washington and London.
 
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Fact is: this no Peace Plan, it's a fig leaf for countries to not impose sanctions on Israel.
It will require a year to actually organize a force that could occupy Gaza, but no effort is being made to do that - because everyone knows that Israel won't let that happen.
 
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