Merged Charlie Kirk shot at Utah Valley University event. / Charlie Kirk Shot And Killed

[TragicMonkey]

Is this thread about Charlie Kirk's asssassination or is about one of the posters here? It's a bit annoying that threads turn into being about particular posters. I'm sure you're all very interesting people but if you need a thread to declare your personal beliefs start a different one, in Community, so it can be more easily avoided.

 

[Reformed Offlian]

Republicans are in general ◊◊◊◊◊◊◊◊ and dummies. Them being idiots doesn't make Democrats shining examples of intellect and good thinking.

Also, I did call out that event - I fail to see any reason whatsoever that any member of EU Parliament should be expected to give a single ◊◊◊◊ about Kirk. I think it's idiotic and divisive political grandstanding to try to force this into consideration outside of the US at all.

That's not any sort of callout for the *content* of what was said.

Look, I don't give a ◊◊◊◊ about Kirk's honor and memory. What I DO care about is LESSENING political division and reducing the livelihood of a civil ◊◊◊◊◊◊◊ war. You know what doesn't reduce the likelihood of continuing violent escalations? BLind partisanship and insisting that "those guys are all evil" and tap-dancing around claiming they deserve to be murdered in cold blood.

So what the ◊◊◊◊ are YOU doing to combat political violence and bring tempers down?

Oh, is the left-leaning-moderate totally-not-a-right-winger pretending that it's *my* job to lower the temperature? Bless your heart.

 

[The Great Zaganza]

Why do you persist in assuming that when I call out fallacious exaggerations intended to stir up antipathy and further entrench a tendency toward division and violence... that somehow means I support the person that's being exaggerated?

If someone here were to say that Sanders is a communist whose goal is to turn the US into the next North Korea, I would oppose that. My opposing it doesn't imply that I support any of Sander's views or policy positions, only that I strongly disagree with the narrative framing being used.

How many people on ISF have opined that Trump is a traitor, and should be tried for treason?

Pretty rich claiming that it is You who is calling out fallacious exaggerations when we just demonstrated that it wa Kirk who fallaciously demanded the execution of a President, and you refuse to call him out on it.
How much more entrenched can you get than calling for the death of the leader of your opposition?
And let's keep in mind that this person is now being praised as the Perfect Republican.

 

[AmyStrange]

Do you view execution for crimes as being synonymous with murder?

If they're innocent, yes.

 

[Ziggurat]

Why do you persist in assuming that when I call out fallacious exaggerations intended to stir up antipathy and further entrench a tendency toward division and violence... that somehow means I support the person that's being exaggerated?

Because you failed the purity test. You aren't sufficiently left-wing, therefore you are right wing.

Eventually, everyone fails the purity test.

 

[Resume]

If they're innocent, yes.

And not afforded due process.

 

[AmyStrange]

Eventually, everyone fails the purity test.

Does that include you?

 

[d4m10n]

We are NOT talking hypotheticals here: Kirk said that Biden should be executed - he would have if he was jury, judge and Executioner

At the risk of failing the usual purity test, I'm skeptical of this specific claim.

Does anyone have a link to the original quote?

 

[Resume]

At the risk of failing the usual purity test, I'm skeptical of this specific claim.

Does anyone have a link to the original quote?

It's upthread.

Post 2026.

Even easier.

From his July 24, 2023 podcast:

I know what you're thinking, we've got to get Joe Biden out of the way so we can run up against Kammy. Oh my goodness, is she beatable. It's like Black Hillary on steroids. Is she Black? I guess she says she's Caribbean or whatever. Doesn't matter. She gives these speeches, and it just has this aura of totalitarianism. My team says she is Indian and Caribbean.

I'll tell you what, she would be a lot easier to beat than Joe Biden. Joe Biden is a bumbling, dementia-filled Alzheimer's, corrupt, tyrant who should honestly be put in prison and/or given the death penalty for his crimes against America.

 

[d4m10n]

How did we get from should "be put in prison and/or given the death penalty" to "should be executed" though?

It's an awful sentiment either way, but it seems significantly more awful if we leave off the possibility of life imprisonment for his few remaining years.

Does it seem intellectually honest and forthright to leave that part off, while bolstering it further with speculation about "jury, judge and Executioner"?

 

[Resume]

How did we get from should be "put in prison and/or given the death penalty" to "should be executed" though?

It's an awful sentiment either way, but it seems significantly more awful if we leave off the possibility of life (a few years) imprisonment.

Given the death penalty isn't being executed?

Man, words don't have meanings anymore I guess.

Yes, Kirk was being reasonable acting as the judge, jury, and/or executioner.

 

[d4m10n]

Given the death penalty isn't being executed?

Did you miss the part about life in prison?

Man, words don't have meanings anymore I guess.

Certainly not if you don't read them all.

 

[plague311]

How did we get from should "be put in prison and/or given the death penalty" to "should be executed" though?

What do you think the death penalty is if it's not execution? Life in prison is also a death penalty. You'll die before release. That's pretty much the definition of thinking someone should be executed. I love the semantic quibbling. Always a good time.

It's an awful sentiment either way, but it seems significantly more awful if we leave off the possibility of life imprisonment for his few remaining years.

Ah yes, well, since he did say the previous POTUS should only be imprisoned for the rest of his life then damn do I ever have egg on my face. Thank you for calling this out. That's a HUGE difference.

 

[Resume]

Did you miss the part about life in prison?
Certainly not if you don't read them all.

JFC, read the edit.

 

[Reformed Offlian]

Did you miss the part about life in prison?

Did you miss the part where Charlie Kirk was evil? And that *that* was the actual point under discussion, the claim for which examples were requested? And that all this stuff about wanting Biden dead was just supposed to exemplify the fact that Kirk was, in fact, evil?

 

[d4m10n]

If someone were to say "Bashar al-Assad should be put in prison or executed" I would agree, though I've no strong preference between those two options.

 

[Resume]

What do you think the death penalty is if it's not execution? Life in prison is also a death penalty. You'll die before release. That's pretty much the definition of thinking someone should be executed. I love the semantic quibbling. Always a good time.

I mean why even add the execution if it's not on the table?

For ◊◊◊◊'s sake this ◊◊◊◊ is getting dishonest.

 

[d4m10n]

Did you miss the part where Charlie Kirk was evil?

That's no excuse for misquoting or misrepresenting him.

Charlie Kirk is dead but your reputation as an honest interlocutor is still with us, for now.

 

[Reformed Offlian]

Life in prison is also a death penalty.

Especially for a man of Biden's age. I'm sure if Trump had gotten any jail time for his convictions, the right would be squawking about how it was a death penalty.

 

[Reformed Offlian]

That's no excuse for misquoting or misrepresenting him.

Charlie Kirk is dead but your reputation as an honest interlocutor is still with us, for now.

I'm quite comfortable with my reputation as an honest interlocutor, thank you. You are welcome to point out where I misquoted or misrepresented Kirk.