Merged Charlie Kirk shot at Utah Valley University event. / Charlie Kirk Shot And Killed

Yes. Subs are usually a fraction of total views. If every one of Kimmel's current viewers subscribed, that would probably translate to a similar amount of views as other YouTubers with similar sub numbers.

Conversely, we can take his latest viewership numbers, and extrapolate that to his likely reach on YouTube: Anemic subs, non-competitive views, relative to big time YouTubers.

To his credit, Kimmel has commanded an impressive fraction of the millennial-Gen Z population that still watches late night TV talk shows. But those are rookie numbers, on YouTube.

Which raises the question: How important was Kimmel, anyway?
The thing is, these hosts aren't being silenced because they lost their public.
Or even because they went against their contract or otherwise offended their employer.
Nor because there is threat of boycot from the public.
They are being silenced because the government actively threatens to act against the networks they are on. Which afaik is actually against the first amendment of the US.
But the right wing never did believe in free speech. Just in free speech for me, silence for you.
 
You have to exaggerate the POV of the Democrats to make your post true. [Assuming you meant something different from "vehement refrain from Democrats". Or maybe it's me not understanding how you parsed that sentence.]
I would say here that Emily's using the word in the meaning of a phrase that's repeated over and over again in a particular context, for example like "it's the economy, stupid" in politics or "up Down!" In Gaelic football. This meaning is derived from the older use of the word refrain to be synonomous with chorus.
 
This is all I could get (it's mostly pictures and ads), but you need to click on another link and another and another... to get the full story.

Obviously, the one who provided the link didn't actually give you the right one.

I wonder why?
Has Axios gone far right in the last few years? Because that last paragraph is lies spewed by, and only by, the far right.
 
given the comments about Kirk in Heaven (or Valhalla as in one prominent case), it is hard to see how any of his fans, supporters and leeches are even remotely Christian. They are dripping with distain for their God. They Faith is only ever a weapon. They haven't understood anything about the teaching of their Lord and Saviour.
All that you've described is quintessentially christian. Remember the christian god is a god of hate, of misogyny, of racism, of violence and ultimately of genocide.
 
sure.
There is also a Jesus who says that you should turn the other cheek, that whatever you did for one of the least of these brothers and sisters of mine, you did for me.
If you ignore all the teachings of Christ, you are not a Christian. And it is well documented how illiterate most US "Christians" are when it comes to the Bible bits that aren't being preached to them.
We are at a pre-reformation stage in US religion, where only The Preacher is allowed to read and interpret The Book, because you will get it wrong if you try to do it yourself.
 
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Who's going to be the next late night host to go?
John Oliver has got to be near the top - and a bloody naturalized Brit to boot! The only mitigation he's got is that he's only on once a week.
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I believe the drive is to hang the protestant Ten Commandments in schools and courtrooms, not the Sermon on the Mount.
FTFY. It may seem a slightly pedantic point but remember Christian religions only unite with one another when they feel threatened by secularism. Once one of them grabs power they soon turn against each other. It isn't that long since in the USA folk thought that a president couldn't be a RC as they would be under the control of the RCC's pope.
 
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Who's going to be the next late night host to go?
John Oliver has got to be near the top - and a bloody naturalized Brit to boot! The only mitigation he's got is that he's only on once a week.
◊◊◊◊◊◊◊ immigrant ◊◊◊◊.
I'm sure when he is deported he'll have no problem getting employment over here.
 
sure.
There is also a Jesus who says that you should turn the other cheek, that whatever you did for one of the least of these brothers and sisters of mine, you did for me.
If you ignore all the teachings of Christ, you are not a Christian. And it is well documented how illiterate most US "Christians" are when it comes to the Bible bits that aren't being preached to them.
We are at a pre-reformation stage in US religion, where only The Preacher is allowed to read and interpret The Book, because you will get it wrong if you try to do it yourself.
But the teachings are contradictory, and what you get in practice are different theme park Jesuses that have also been supplemented by interpretations and pop culture.

Kind of like Santa, really.
 
I remember John Oliver's wicked glee on hearing the absurd rumour that Trump might run for president. "Oh, please run".

Yeah. That aged not necessarily to his advantage.
 
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FTFY. It may seem a slightly pedantic point but remember Christian religions only unite with one another when they feel threatened by secularism. Once one of them grabs power they soon turn against each other. It isn't that long since in the USA folk thought that a president couldn't be a RC as they would be under the control of the RCC's pope.


America was founded by Christians willing to sail half way across the world and set up a whole new country to defend their god given right to persecute other Christians of the wrong type.
 
Really? Dawkins and Shermer have been spreading hate and division with racist remarks for decades? I somehow missed that.

Kirk was very good in front of a crowd and had the skills to control the conversation but if you look at the videos where he actually encounters an intelligent person (the clips you don't see in his highly edited videos) he stumbles and bumbles his way into one logical fallacy after another.

He was a good hukster and smooth talker but lets not mistake that for intelligence.
Which is why he adopted the Ray Comfort tactic of only ever debating with the people he thought looked the most stupid. Man's arguments were so bad they can't even stand up to the barest minimum of rational scrutiny.
 
Indeed, I'm behind the curve here and I didn't realize what the actual fabrication allegation was. (Ironically I was up at the law library looking up something else instead of listening to Steve Bannon.) The prosecutor merely needs to have a reasonable belief that the text conversation took place. If someone else undertook to fabricate the conversation, then the prosecutor won't be sanctioned for it as long as he remains candid with the court as the investigation continues.

The complaint says the messages came from the roommate's phone. It does not say how they were given to law enforcement, but it was almost certainly via a forensic dump of the phone. If you don't do it that way, you have all kinds of evidence problems later. While the roommate could have shown the interrogators the conversation on the screen at first, the immediate next step would be to dump the phone and preserve the evidentiary record. Again, since this is a high-profile prosecution, it is quite likely the text message traffic was verified according to the dump before filing charges, although this would not necessarily reveal all tampering. Ultimately, if the authenticity of the conversation is in question, the SMS traffic can be obtained from the carrier and would reveal any attempt to use a burner phone or to alter the message or metadata.

Technical means aside, the motive for such fabrication remains cloudy.

If the messages are recovered from the roommate's phone, any fabrication would possibly have occurred on that phone and been undertaken by the roommate. That makes them an accomplice and subject to additional charges of obstruction of justice. Romanticism aside, it seems that this is something the roommate would do only if they were actually embroiled in it much more extensively and were seeking to create a false appearance of their own lesser involvement.

If you assume the conversation was fabricated, it still doesn't make sense. Why create a false trail of evidence that admits to the murder and connects to the physical evidence, but restates only the motive for doing so? By far the most common method of obstructing justice is simply to destroy evidence (or attempt to). In fact, that's what Robinson urges the roommate to do—a fact alleged in support of one of the counts of obstruction of justice. If you're going to fabricate a false trail of evidence, fabricate one that throws doubt on guilt. Say something like, "My grandfather's rifle was stolen, did you leave the door unlocked?" Or, "I went to UVU to hear Kirk speak, and now they all wrongly think I did it!"

Claiming a conversation was fabricated to admit to the crime but restate its motive away from right-wing talking points smacks of something the right-wing just really wants to be true—a scenario that would benefit the right-wing narrative but present no cognizable advantage for the alleged participants. There's no evidence that either Robinson or the roommate has any desire to shield any larger interest or absolve any larger political or social group. The fabrication theory amounts to nothing more than a conspiracy theory that the witness is hiding exactly what the right-wing commentators wanted the evidence to be, even if it makes no sense for the witness to do so.
The only problem with this post is that it depends on all levels of the judicial system observing the rule of law in this case.

Given what we've seen of the US "justice" system and the current state of the country, what odds are there on the rule of law being observed? My money is that this trial will more closely resemble the Whire Rose Trial than one properly held.
 

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