The sinking of MS Estonia: Case Reopened Part VII

[P.J. Denyer]

Funny thing about a stroke is that you’re perfectly fine until you have one.

Well. Trump was already pretty ◊◊◊◊◊◊, but generally.

 

[Jack by the hedge]

I'm overcome by your attention to detail and commitment to truth.

Rewind a bit. Are we completely sure the ship sank?

 

[Andy_Ross]

Rewind a bit. Are we completely sure the ship sank?

<shrug>

 

[Vixen]

OK. Alexander Voronin's date of birth was 13.12.1956, which means on 28.9.1994, he was aged 37. When he died, mid-Oct 2002, he would have been getting on to 46 years old.




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[junkshop]

With Vassili, obvs.

Which one?

 

[Vixen]

Or perhaps not.


With whom?

You are in full speculation mode now, even though you assured us you only deal in facts. You claim Voronin was "morbidly obese" but you can't provide any evidence or citation for that judgment. You cite an author who is able to nail Voronin's weight precisely, even though it's quite evidence your author could not possibly have made that observation.

Well, Nelson directly quotes 'Vashya', who says, 'I'm not going to abandon you.' So there you have it. There's his direct source of information.

 

[Mojo]

OK. Alexander Voronin's date of birth was 13.12.1956, which means on 28.9.1994, he was aged 37. When he died, mid-Oct 2002, he would have been getting on to 46 years old.

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http://www.estoniaferrydisaster.net/estonia final report/enclosures HTM/enc 2/21.3.4.342.htm

Where did you get the 'fact' that he died at 42?

 

[Vixen]

Where did you get the 'fact' that he died at 42?

I very clearly said 'about 42' so was only a couple of years out. From post #1995:

Evidence Voronin was obese?

"He weighed 245lbs. Died a couple of years later aged only about 42 of ill-health," post #1995

 

[JayUtah]

Well, Nelson directly quotes 'Vashya', who says, 'I'm not going to abandon you.' So there you have it. There's his direct source of information.

Is “I’m not going to abandon you” a mistranslation of “Alexandr Voronin was morbidly obese?” Did the triple-niner lose track of what she was supposed to prove with evidence?

 

[JesseCuster]

Well, Nelson directly quotes 'Vashya', who says, 'I'm not going to abandon you.' So there you have it. There's his direct source of information.

There you have what? I've no idea what this post is suppose to mean, how is 'Vashya' saying 'I'm not going to abandon you" supposed to explain where the evidence of Voronin's morbid obesity comes from?

 

[zooterkin]

I very clearly said 'about 42' so was only a couple of years out. From post #1995:


"He weighed 245lbs. Died a couple of years later aged only about 42 of ill-health," post #1995

I never make anything up. All of my comments are sourced, unless I state 'IMV'.


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[Vixen]

Is “I’m not going to abandon you” a mistranslation of “Alexandr Voronin was morbidly obese?” Did the triple-niner lose track of what she was supposed to prove with evidence?

He only needs one informant, who was at the scene, to write his piece.

 

[JayUtah]

He only needs one informant, who was at the scene, to write his piece.

You were asked to substantiate a specific claim regarding Voronin’s physical appearance and health, which your quote doesn’t even allude to. I’m afraid that’s going to cost you another nine.

 

[JesseCuster]

He only needs one informant, who was at the scene, to write his piece.

I'm still confused. How is the a quote from the book of 'Vashya' saying "I'm not going to abandon you" evidence of Voronin's morbid obesity or excruciating back injury?

 

[MarkCorrigan]

He only needs one informant, who was at the scene, to write his piece.

So are you claiming Vasilli was the source of the 245lbs weight for Voronin?

 

[Mojo]

I very clearly said 'about 42' so was only a couple of years out. From post #1995:


"He weighed 245lbs. Died a couple of years later aged only about 42 of ill-health," post #1995

Doesn't answer the question. Where did you get this only slightly inaccurate information?

 

[Reformed Offlian]

Is “I’m not going to abandon you” a mistranslation of “Alexandr Voronin was morbidly obese?” Did the triple-niner lose track of what she was supposed to prove with evidence?

The real reason the MS Estonia sank: it was full of eels.

 

[zooterkin]

He only needs one informant, who was at the scene, to write his piece.

At the scene? Was 'Vashya' on the boat?

 

[MarkCorrigan]

The real reason the MS Estonia sank: it was full of eels.

My nipples explode with delight!

 

[Mojo]

I very clearly said 'about 42' so was only a couple of years out.

Is "only a couple" Brit slang for "four"?