Cont: The Trials of Amanda Knox and Raffaele Sollecito: Part 32

[Stacyhs]

Next question:

Q3: When Filomena urged Knox to ring Mez, shortly after Knox switching her phone back on at midday, having cursorily rang both Mez' phones, Knox failed to tell Filomena she had already rung Mez.​

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Is this true? A simple yes or no will suffice.​

"Cursorily"? Only you would describe phoning Meredith and getting no answer both times as "carelessly" ringing her.
Failing to tell Filomena is not a "lie".

And please stop demanding a simple yes or no. It's a tactic used in an attempt to mislead by leaving out relevant information. For example: Asking "Did Knox tell her mother 'I was there. I can't lie about that'?"

 

[Stacyhs]

Yup, and I don't know how many false confessors have said later that they just wanted it to stop and that thought, even with a confession, LE would eventually realize their big mistake, apologize, and set them free.

As a matter of fact, it's almost an axiom of LE practices that when someone confesses, LE pretty much stops looking for evidence that another person did it.

I firmly believe that the problem of false confessions should be taught in high school, but that's just my opinion.

Your mileage may vary of course.

True. The objective of an interrogation is to obtain a confession. One has to be a fool to believe that the police did not already believe Knox was involved. Even Mignini admitted he already suspected Knox before that night. And the Chief of Police admitted the same thing when he said,

"Initially the American gave a version of events we knew was not correct. She buckled and made an admission of facts we knew were correct and from that we were able to bring them in. They all participated but had different roles."

He is admitting that the police and Mignini already believed...not just suspected... she was involved BEFORE the interrogation on Nov. 5 even began.

I asked Vixen several times to give me another explanation for that statement. Each time she refused to answer. Quelle surprise, non?

 

[AmyStrange]

True. The objective of an interrogation is to obtain a confession. One has to be a fool to believe that the police did not already believe Knox was involved. Even Mignini admitted he already suspected Knox before that night. And the Chief of Police admitted the same thing when he said,



He is admitting that the police and Mignini already believed...not just suspected... she was involved BEFORE the interrogation on Nov. 5 even began.

I asked Vixen several times to give me another explanation for that statement. Each time she refused to answer. Quelle surprise, non?

I assume that last question was rhetorical.

 

[Vixen]

Oh, come on. Can you prove she was not "frantically running around, banging on Mez' door, calling her name, and trying to look in her window"? A simple yes or no will suffice.

Battistelli stated Knox said that it wasn't unusual for Mez' door to be locked. (2.11.2007)

 

[Vixen]

Quote and cite Sollecito telling police that Knox carried a knife in her bag. It's not in his depositions of Nov. 2 or 5/6 or his testimony of Nov. 8.

That Knox carried a knife in her purse was the fantasy of Massei. He had to explain why she would have taken a large knife from Sollecito's to the cottage since he stated the murder was not planned, so he just made one up.

From RS' Prison Diary, he had no problem in accepting his knife was the murder weapon.

Raffaele’s Prison Diary (partial), November 16, 2007

“I saw on TV yesterday evening that the knife that I had at home (the one from the kitchen) has traces of Meredith and Amanda (latent)... I was breathless and I also got into a total panic because I thought that Amanda had killed Meredith or that she had at least helped someone kill her. But I saw Tiziano today who calmed me down: he told me that the knife could not have been the murder weapon, according to the medical examiner, and that it has nothing to do with anything because Amanda could have taken it and carried it from my house to her house since the girls didn’t have a knife like that one, they are causing a commotion for nothing..

Q7: Did Sollecito claim to have pricked the back of Mez' hand with the knife in question whilst she was cooking at his place?​

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Is this yet another RS lie?​

 

[Stacyhs]

So it's a 'yes'.

Q6: Did Sollecito tell the police in his second interview that what he said in his first interview was 'a crock of ◊◊◊◊'?​

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Yes or no?​

Yes.

Did Sollecito reaffirm his original story to the police in his Nov. 8, 2007 testimony?

I previously made a false statement because I was under pressure and I was very agitated, I was shocked and I was afraid. I point out that on 5 November I was very agitated when the agents asked me questions because they put me under pressure. I confirm that on the night of 1 November I spent the night with Amanda. I do not remember if Amanda went out that evening. At 20.30 we were at my house. I got it mixed up. I remember that Amanda must have come back [home together] with me. I do not remember if she went out.

The Flying Squad put great psychological pressure on me.

As I previously provided, his Nov. 5/6 statements of events could not have happened when compared with the testimony of Popovic but are compatible with Knox's actions the night of Halloween as supported by phone logs and witness testimony. But, then again, just like Altieri and Grande, Popovic was just trying to help these two people by perjuring herself because she felt sorry for them, right?

 

[Vixen]

Yes.

Did Sollecito reaffirm his original story to the police in his Nov. 8, 2007 testimony?




As I previously provided, his Nov. 5/6 statements of events could not have happened when compared with the testimony of Popovic but are compatible with Knox's actions the night of Halloween as supported by phone logs and witness testimony. But, then again, just like Altieri and Grande, Popovic was just trying to help these two people by perjuring herself because she felt sorry for them, right?

Never mind Popovic, we are concentrating on why the pair told so many lies.

Q8: Sollecito told police Knox went out without him and didn't come home until about one. Lie or truth?​

Q9: Sollecito told police he was on his computer all evening. Lie or truth?​

Q10: Sollecito told his dad (his dad claims) they had their evening meal and the leak in the kitchen by 8::40pm True?​

 

[Stacyhs]

Raffaele’s Prison Diary (partial), November 16, 2007

“I saw on TV yesterday evening that the knife that I had at home (the one from the kitchen) has traces of Meredith and Amanda (latent)... I was breathless and I also got into a total panic because I thought that Amanda had killed Meredith or that she had at least helped someone kill her. But I saw Tiziano today who calmed me down: he told me that the knife could not have been the murder weapon, according to the medical examiner, and that it has nothing to do with anything because Amanda could have taken it and carried it from my house to her house since the girls didn’t have a knife like that one, they are causing a commotion for nothing..

From RS' Prison Diary, he had no problem in accepting his knife was the murder weapon.

Oh, dear, oh dear.... just as I thought. He never told police that "Amanda carried a knife in her purse".
Speculating in his diary that "Amanda could have taken it and carried it from my house to her house" is not the same thing at all. Nice try. This is why we don't take your claims at face value.

Q7: Did Sollecito claim to have pricked the back of Mez' hand with the knife in question whilst she was cooking at his place?​

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Is this yet another RS lie?​

No, he did not. From his book:

I was feeling so panicky I imagined for a moment that I had used the knife to cook lunch at Via della Pergola and accidentally jabbed Meredith in the hand. Something like that had in fact happend before the murder. My hand slipped and the knife I was using made contact with her skin for the briefest of moments. Meredith was not hurt, I apologized, and that was that. But of course I wasn't using my own knife at the time. There was no possible connection.

1. "the knife I was using made contact with her skin for the briefest of moments. Meredith was not hurt," is not "pricking the back of Meredith's hand".

2. "I wasn't using my own knife at the time" clearly repudiates it was "the knife in question".

3. "I had used the knife to cook lunch at Via della Pergola" clearly contradicts that "she was cooking at his place".

Three errors in your one sentence. That could be a record even for you.

 

[AmyStrange]

Never mind Popovic, we are concentrating on why the pair told so many lies.

Q8: Sollecito told police Knox went out without him and didn't come home until about one. Lie or truth?​

Q9: Sollecito told police he was on his computer all evening. Lie or truth?​

Q10: Sollecito told his dad (his dad claims) they had their evening meal and the leak in the kitchen by 8::40pm True?​

Talk about a kettle calling the other one black...

You know, it would help if you actually read up on false confessions, but then again, you'd have to admit you were wrong, wrong, wrong.

 

[Vixen]

Oh, dear, oh dear.... just as I thought. He never told police that "Amanda carried a knife in her purse".
Speculating in his diary that "Amanda could have taken it and carried it from my house to her house" is not the same thing at all. Nice try. This is why we don't take your claims at face value.

No, he did not. From his book:


1. "the knife I was using made contact with her skin for the briefest of moments. Meredith was not hurt," is not "pricking the back of Meredith's hand".

2. "I wasn't using my own knife at the time" clearly repudiates it was "the knife in question".

3. "I had used the knife to cook lunch at Via della Pergola" clearly contradicts that "she was cooking at his place".

Three errors in your one sentence. That could be a record even for you.

Um, why are you covering up for him?

From his Prison Diary, he himself writes:

Raffaele’s Prison Diary (partial), November 18, 2007

“The fact that there is Meredith’s DNA on the kitchen knife is because on one occasion, while we were cooking together, I, while moving around at home [and] handling the knife, pricked her hand, and I apologized at once but she was not hurt. So the only real explanation for that kitchen knife is this one.

Right next, yes or no:

Q11: Was Sollecito lying when he said: “I couldn’t believe what I was seeing. It was hard to tell it was Meredith at first but Amanda started crying and screaming. I dragged her away because I didn’t want her to see it, it was so horrible. ​

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“It seems her killer came through the window because it was smashed and there was glass all over the place. It was so sinister because other parts of the house were just as normal.”​

 

[AmyStrange]

Um, why are you covering up for him?

From his Prison Diary, he himself writes:



Right next, yes or no:

Q11: Was Sollecito lying when he said: “I couldn’t believe what I was seeing. It was hard to tell it was Meredith at first but Amanda started crying and screaming. I dragged her away because I didn’t want her to see it, it was so horrible. ​

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“It seems her killer came through the window because it was smashed and there was glass all over the place. It was so sinister because other parts of the house were just as normal.”​

Q12: When is Vixen going to admit all their lies and join reality?

 

[TruthCalls]

Never mind Popovic, we are concentrating on why the pair told so many lies.

Q8: Sollecito told police Knox went out without him and didn't come home until about one. Lie or truth?​

Q9: Sollecito told police he was on his computer all evening. Lie or truth?​

Q10: Sollecito told his dad (his dad claims) they had their evening meal and the leak in the kitchen by 8::40pm True?​

I find this comical you expect everyone to answer your questions, yet you never answer any put to you. Why is that?

To your questions...

Q8. Yes, on a night other than the night of the murder, as he later clarified. An account that was proven could not have been from the night of the murder.
Q9. Yes, but again, from the same interrogation where he was questioned without a lawyer, a deliberately confused on dates.
Q10. False. He told his father he was washing dishes and the sink leaked, he never mentioned dinner.

 

[Stacyhs]

Never mind Popovic, we are concentrating on why the pair told so many lies.

Obviously, you don't want us concentrating on your lie that Popovic was a liar and perjurer. Nor do you want to acknowledge that his signed statements could not have happened as described according to witness testimony and the phone logs which support those events happened the night before.

Q8: Sollecito told police Knox went out without him and didn't come home until about one. Lie or truth?​

Does that agree with her actions on Oct. 31st as supported by their texts? Yes or no?
AK to RS 12:57: See you at 1:45 on the cathedral steps?
RS calls AK 1:07: Tells her he's taking a break from working and will leave not to meet her at the steps.

Q9: Sollecito told police he was on his computer all evening. Lie or truth?​

He was on Halloween night.

Q10: Sollecito told his dad (his dad claims) they had their evening meal and the leak in the kitchen by 8::40pm True?​

And? Neither AK nor RS could remember what time they had eaten dinner. And it doesn't matter when they ate dinner or when the pipe burst or when they had sex or in what order they did them. It's totally irrelevant.

This is the kind of nit-picking you and the PGP do because it's all you have. They're nothing but red herrings to distract from the fact that the forensic evidence only points to Guede. You can't explain how Knox could have helped to forcibly hold down Kercher and leave no evidence of herself in that bedroom. You try to discredit the TMB negative results by resorting to wild excuses like claiming the footprints were so diluted that TMB couldn't detect any blood yet left the prints INTACT. You resort to lies like "mixed blood" and "blood in Filomena's room" and "RS called 112 after the postales arrived", etc.

 

[Vixen]

So that's about twelve major lies already spotted, many of them written in the comfort of privacy, eg; home computer or prison diary.

Next Q 13: Knox claims she returned to the cottage at about 10:00 to take a shower and change her clothes. She says she blow-dried her hair in Laura and Filomena's bathroom, which is how she spotted some strange poop. Does Knox' hair look freshly washed, blow-dried and coiffed, when pictured by a pap a couple of hours later, outside the cottage?

 

[Welshman]

Obviously, you don't want us concentrating on your lie that Popovic was a liar and perjurer. Nor do you want to acknowledge that his signed statements could not have happened as described according to witness testimony and the phone logs which support those events happened the night before.


Does that agree with her actions on Oct. 31st as supported by their texts? Yes or no?
AK to RS 12:57: See you at 1:45 on the cathedral steps?
RS calls AK 1:07: Tells her he's taking a break from working and will leave not to meet her at the steps.

He was on Halloween night.

And? Neither AK nor RS could remember what time they had eaten dinner. And it doesn't matter when they ate dinner or when the pipe burst or when they had sex or in what order they did them. It's totally irrelevant.

This is the kind of nit-picking you and the PGP do because it's all you have. They're nothing but red herrings to distract from the fact that the forensic evidence only points to Guede. You can't explain how Knox could have helped to forcibly hold down Kercher and leave no evidence of herself in that bedroom. You try to discredit the TMB negative results by resorting to wild excuses like claiming the footprints were so diluted that TMB couldn't detect any blood yet left the prints INTACT. You resort to lies like "mixed blood" and "blood in Filomena's room" and "RS called 112 after the postales arrived", etc.

The fact that Vixen tells so many lies and has to resort to lying explains why Vixen is so vocal in attacking Amanda and Raffaele for lying. When Vixen tells numerous lies in her posts and then attacks Amanda and Raffaele for telling numerous lies, this is clearly projection. Vixen has to resort to lying because the facts don't support the case for guilt which is a major shortcoming for guilters. By attacking Amanda and Raffaele for lying, Vixen is trying to deflect this shortcoming onto Amanda and Raffaele and pretend rather than guilters having to resort to lying because the facts don't support the case for guilt it is Amanda and Raffaele who have to resort to lying because the facts don't support the case for innocence. In addition, as Vixen has no real evidence to base her arguments on, constantly repeating the mantra Amanda and Raffaele told numerous lies, compensates for this.

 

[Stacyhs]

Um, why are you covering up for him?

Um, why are you making such a ridiculous accusation? YOU provided that quote, not me.

From his Prison Diary, he himself writes:
Raffaele’s Prison Diary (partial), November 18, 2007

“The fact that there is Meredith’s DNA on the kitchen knife is because on one occasion, while we were cooking together, I, while moving around at home [and] handling the knife, pricked her hand, and I apologized at once but she was not hurt. So the only real explanation for that kitchen knife is this one.

Interesting translation of the original Italian:

Il fatto che c’è del Dna di Meredith sul coltello da cucina è perché una volta mentre cucinavamo insieme, io, spostandomi in casa maneggiando il coltello, l’ho punta sulla mano, e subito dopo le ho chiesto scusa ma lei non si era fatta niente. Quindi l’unica vera spiegazione a quel coltello da cucina è questa.

"l'ho punta sulla mano" is translated as "I pointed it at her hand" by Google Translate, DeepL, Reverso and several others.

"in casa" could easily mean at her home. He does not say at "my home". He never claimed she was at his house and has specifically stated she had never been there.

Right next, yes or no:

Q11: Was Sollecito lying when he said: “I couldn’t believe what I was seeing. It was hard to tell it was Meredith at first but Amanda started crying and screaming. I dragged her away because I didn’t want her to see it, it was so horrible. ​

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“It seems her killer came through the window because it was smashed and there was glass all over the place. It was so sinister because other parts of the house were just as normal.”​

That's from Kate Mansey's UK Sunday Mirror story. "A May 2023 YouGov poll found that the Daily Mirror and Sunday Mirror had a net trust score of -37 among the British public, placing them near the bottom alongside other tabloids."
When you have to resort to using a UK tabloid for evidence, that's just sad.
RS never made any claims of ever seeing the body except, allegedly, here.

 

[Vixen]

Um, why are you making such a ridiculous accusation? YOU provided that quote, not me.

Interesting translation of the original Italian:

"l'ho punta sulla mano" is translated as "I pointed it at her hand" by Google Translate, DeepL, Reverso and several others.

"in casa" could easily mean at her home. He does not say at "my home". He never claimed she was at his house and has specifically stated she had never been there.

That's from Kate Mansey's UK Sunday Mirror story. "A May 2023 YouGov poll found that the Daily Mirror and Sunday Mirror had a net trust score of -37 among the British public, placing them near the bottom alongside other tabloids."
When you have to resort to using a UK tabloid for evidence, that's just sad.
RS never made any claims of ever seeing the body except, allegedly, here.

Fair enough about the tabloids but how did Sollecito come up with the tale about 'the killer climbing in through the window'. Seems to be several steps ahead of the police! Mansey says she was walking around Perugia at the time of the murder and bumped into Sollecito skulking about. So, how would he know about a 'killer coming in through a window' if he is just an innocent passerby, albeit "My girlfriend found the body, all covered in blood'? It's known criminals like to hang around to watch the reaction and fathom out how much people know and what they are saying, right? Why was Sollecito acting so creepily and claiming special knowledge?

 

[Numbers]

Um, why are you making such a ridiculous accusation? YOU provided that quote, not me.

Interesting translation of the original Italian:

"l'ho punta sulla mano" is translated as "I pointed it at her hand" by Google Translate, DeepL, Reverso and several others.

"in casa" could easily mean at her home. He does not say at "my home". He never claimed she was at his house and has specifically stated she had never been there.
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That's from Kate Mansey's UK Sunday Mirror story. "A May 2023 YouGov poll found that the Daily Mirror and Sunday Mirror had a net trust score of -37 among the British public, placing them near the bottom alongside other tabloids."
When you have to resort to using a UK tabloid for evidence, that's just sad.
RS never made any claims of ever seeing the body except, allegedly, here.

On Google Translate, for the whole sentence, the I'ho punta sulla mano is translated as "I pricked her hand":

The fact that there's Meredith's DNA on the kitchen knife is because once, while we were cooking together, I was moving around the house handling the knife and I pricked her hand. I apologized immediately afterward, but she hadn't hurt herself. So the only real explanation for that kitchen knife is this.

However, when the phrase is isolated, it translates as "I pointed it at my hand". Reverso Context gives: I put it on my hand. The word "punta" by itself has about 18 English translations according to Google Translate. The problem may be, in part, the different ways English and Italian handle pronouns; to translate, we need to understand, among other things, what person or persons l'ho refers to.

 

[Stacyhs]

So that's about twelve major lies already spotted, many of them written in the comfort of privacy, eg; home computer or prison diary.

Funny, but predictable, how you just ignore that your so-called lies weren't lies at all. As usual, you just ignore contradictory evidence as if it was never provided. Looks like the police weren't the only ones suffering from "investigative amnesia".

Next Q 13: Knox claims she returned to the cottage at about 10:00 to take a shower and change her clothes. She says she blow-dried her hair in Laura and Filomena's bathroom, which is how she spotted some strange poop. Does Knox' hair look freshly washed, blow-dried and coiffed, when pictured by a pap a couple of hours later, outside the cottage?

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Wow. You really are scraping the bottom of that barrel.

"Does Knox' hair look freshly washed, blow-dried and coiffed, when pictured by a pap a couple of hours later, outside the cottage?"

Actually...'yes' to being clean. Can you distinguish blow-dried from naturally dried? Would it look different? "Coiffed"? Knox never claimed to have styled her hair, only blow-dried it. But you just can't help yourself from embellishing it, can you?

Then there's the fact she's outside with wind blowing her hair. On Nov. 2, 2007, the wind at 12:50 was 14 MPH, at 1:50 wind was 18 MPH, at 2:50 it was 24 MPH.

Would you care to explain why not one person there that day, including the police, ever said Knox did NOT look like she'd showered or washed her hair? Why would that be, Vixen? But you won't answer it any more than you answer any question that you don't like the answer to. As already mentioned by another poster, you demand answers to your questions but consistently refuse to answer ours.

 

[Stacyhs]

Fair enough about the tabloids but how did Sollecito come up with the tale about 'the killer climbing in through the window'.

Um, because the window was broken? As he told 112: "Someone entered the house by breaking the window."
It doesn't take a genius to figure out there's no reason to break a window unless it was to gain entry.

Seems to be several steps ahead of the police!

Inspector Clouseau would have been several steps ahead of the police.

Mansey says she was walking around Perugia at the time of the murder and bumped into Sollecito skulking about.

Um...no she didn't say "at the time of the murder"; it was two days after the murder. "Skulking about"? Mansey never said any such thing, but you just can't help yourself, can you? Here is Mansey's story.

So, how would he know about a 'killer coming in through a window' if he is just an innocent passerby

What are you talking about by "an innocent passerby"? This was two days after the murder and Neither Mansey nor he ever claimed to be "an innocent passerby". You really need to rein in that imagination of yours.

, albeit "My girlfriend found the body, all covered in blood'? It's known criminals like to hang around to watch the reaction and fathom out how much people know and what they are saying, right? Why was Sollecito acting so creepily and claiming special knowledge?

What the hell? That is one weird comment even for you considering this was two days after the murder and he was there on Nov. 2.