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The sinking of MS Estonia: Case Reopened Part VII

That looks nothing like the observed and photographed hole.
Of course it doesn't. We don't need some guy's crude drawing of something we already have photographic evidence for. For heaven's sake, we can look at the photos he was looking at when he made the drawing. But then also that's just a bouncing-off-the-guardrail distraction from @Vixen's utter inability to synthesize a single coherent narrative.
 
As you know, I was intrigued as to why survivor accounts of a loud bang and/or jolts at the stroke of Swedish midnight was ignored by the JAIC and why when they did mention first experiences, they describe them as 'thuds from the waves'.
Where does the quote "thuds from the waves"come from? You have a sloppy and confusing habit of wrapping things that aren't quotes in quotation marks, obviously to make it look like you're quoting from something when you're just rewording stuff or misremembering stuff.

I can't find the phrase anywhere on Google or on these forums, but I'm willing to be admit I'm wrong if you can provide an actual quotation and citation for it.
 
This is Braidwood's sketch of the breach at 'Car Deck Port Side Forward'. (source: Estonia, Sven Anér, 2004).
This appears to be the book you claimed contained reprints of the full metallurgical laboratory reports. I asked you to present evidence for that in the form of photographs of the key pages. You declined, citing copyright concerns. Now that you've shown you're willing to reproduce parts of Anér's book, please provide the evidence I asked for.
 
It's 'obvious'...
They needed it to sink once it turned turtle, and as we all know from scientific documentaries they will float indefinitely upside down, so they needed to blow a hole in the hull above the waterline to make it sink!!!! but being upside down, the new hole had to be below the old waterline, which was above the old waterline

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Otherwise it would still be floating there to this day!!!!!
Exactly! And it had to be sunk to hide the evidence.

That is, until the sooper seekret dive team could turn up, fool the coastguard, and recover the evidence. Although they didn't recover the evidence. No, wait, hang on, ... that's what we're supposed to think!

Thankfully there's a triple-niner of superior intellect gracing this forum to clarify what really happened.
 
I'm asking you non-sarcastically to answer the questions he put to you. You're being asked to reconcile the conflicts in the accounts you're presenting as "of interest" to you, so as to arrive at a coherent narrative. Are you able to do that, or is mindless regurgitation and distraction all we can expect?
I think everyone here is well aware its Option B.....

Always has been, always will be....
 
That "a couple of years later" is a British slang term meaning an unknown number of years later (up to and including 8 years). You said Voronin died a couple of years after the Estonia sinking and when told it was actually 8 years later you've just made up the idea that "a couple of years later" actually has some colloquial meaning that means you weren't caught spreading more disinformation from your shoddy sources...

Yes, that's because I thought he had died a couple of years later. I had no idea it was in 2002.
What is "because you thought he had died a couple of years later"? You said he died a couple of years after the sinking, then when you were told it was actually 8 years later, you claimed that "a couple of years later" is a British slang phrase meaning an unknown number of years later. Now you're admitting to make a sloppy mistake, you actually had no idea when he died, and were just cribbing from your shoddy memory when you could have just checked your your actual sources and references which you no doubt have neatly filed away.

What on earth were you trying to argue when you made the preposterous claim about the British slang phrase "a couple of years later"? That is absolutely not a British slang term meaning "an unknown number of years later". I don't think you even know from post to post what you're arguing.
 
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Exactly! And it had to be sunk to hide the evidence.

That is, until the sooper seekret dive team could turn up, fool the coastguard, and recover the evidence. Although they didn't recover the evidence. No, wait, hang on, ... that's what we're supposed to think!

Thankfully there's a triple-niner of superior intellect gracing this forum to clarify what really happened.
I'm actually watching 'Beyond The Poseidon Adventure' atm about 2/3 of the way through- its a 'part 2' made in 1979 from the original nearly a decade earlier- as you may imagine, its pretty corny all round (its got Michael Caine, Telly Savalas and Sally Fields in it)
Ironically- its plot sounds almost exactly what 'certain parties' would have us believe happened to the Estonia- the plot of a 'B grade' movie (and thats being generous indeed....)

Even down to the radioactive plutonium being smuggled aboard, and the French Coastguard trying to keep all and sundry away, while unknown armed men attack the crew onboard...

All its missing to date is the tracked submarine lol
 
I'm actually watching 'Beyond The Poseidon Adventure' atm about 2/3 of the way through- its a 'part 2' made in 1979 from the original nearly a decade earlier- as you may imagine, its pretty corny all round (its got Michael Caine, Telly Savalas and Sally Fields in it)
Ironically- its plot sounds almost exactly what 'certain parties' would have us believe happened to the Estonia- the plot of a 'B grade' movie (and thats being generous indeed....)

Even down to the radioactive plutonium being smuggled aboard, and the French Coastguard trying to keep all and sundry away, while unknown armed men attack the crew onboard...

All its missing to date is the tracked submarine lol

What better way to hide their nefarious plans than to release them as a feature length presentation a decade and a half before they carried it out? Totally secret!
 
So the bow was blown off by explosives now?

So what made the hole in the side if it wasn't the rocks?
Or were there other boms set to explode and make the hole?
If so, why is the deformation inwards? If it was a bomb in the ship it would be outwards.
What type of bomb would make a long narrow hole in the side?
Why would they plant a bomb to make a hole above the waterline?

WHat's that about a breach through windows on deck 4?

The breach was the bow visor falling off. The windows didn't take in water until the shgip was well over and sinking.
It's the same old scene since 2019.
In her head, in her head CT thinking.
With their bags and their guns and their subs and their bombs
In her head, in her head, she is sinking...


Sorry. Couldn't resist.
 
I'm asking you non-sarcastically to answer the questions he put to you. You're being asked to reconcile the conflicts in the accounts you're presenting as "of interest" to you, so as to arrive at a coherent narrative. Are you able to do that, or is mindless regurgitation and distraction all we can expect?
It's painfully obvious that knowing what actually happened during the sinking is not "of interest" to Vixen. Conspiracy fantasies are what is interesting.
 
Where does the quote "thuds from the waves"come from? You have a sloppy and confusing habit of wrapping things that aren't quotes in quotation marks, obviously to make it look like you're quoting from something when you're just rewording stuff or misremembering stuff.

I can't find the phrase anywhere on Google or on these forums, but I'm willing to be admit I'm wrong if you can provide an actual quotation and citation for it.
JAIC report.
 
I'm actually watching 'Beyond The Poseidon Adventure' atm about 2/3 of the way through- its a 'part 2' made in 1979 from the original nearly a decade earlier- as you may imagine, its pretty corny all round (its got Michael Caine, Telly Savalas and Sally Fields in it)
Ironically- its plot sounds almost exactly what 'certain parties' would have us believe happened to the Estonia- the plot of a 'B grade' movie (and thats being generous indeed....)

Even down to the radioactive plutonium being smuggled aboard, and the French Coastguard trying to keep all and sundry away, while unknown armed men attack the crew onboard...

All its missing to date is the tracked submarine lol
Did you manage to find the alleged far right tendency views you claimed I had?
 

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