The sinking of MS Estonia: Case Reopened Part VII

Dabop said:
Ironically that actual IS a thing in Australia- but not in a good way....

Usually it comes from the far right conspiracy crowds usually so enamoured by fox 'news' and the like...

Here, you can't claim to be a 'news' media company just because you want to- there are regulations etc that ensure that any company wanting the coveted 'news broadcast' licence is impartial, fair and basically has to be even handed and seen to be 'clean'

So 'fox news' cant legally broadcast here as a news service- so they try and game the system by getting the 'current affair' designation but that also actually cuts off their usual US dribble at the knees too, because local content rules then apply lol

So anyone bleating about 'current affair news' is usually here outing themselves as a far right conspiracy nutcase...

The news is news, and current affairs is current affairs, but 'current affairs news' is outright 'conspiracy tard signalling' here (its most commonly seen in the sovcit circles)
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Luckily, I am neither.
 
Reformed Offlian said:
Show us. You've mischaracterized Drew Wilson before.
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From Post no. 2865:

I can confirm the correct translation from the German is, 'Spacecraft'.

Saksalainen Süddeutsche Zeitung julkaisi vuoden 2002 kesäkuussa jutun, jossa käsiteltiin Estoniaa ja Voroninin mahdollista osuutta salaisissa asekaupoissa. Voroninin väitettiin osallistuneen neuvostoliittolaisen avaruustek-niikan ja aseiden salakuljettamiseen.

Aleksander Voronin sai artikkelin luettavakseen, mutta ei koskaan ennättänyt sitä julkisuudessa kom-mentoida, sillä hän kuoli odottamatta aivohalvaukseen kaksi viikkoa lehden ilmestymisen jälkeen. J.K. Tamminen – Estonian Salaisuudet, 2021
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Google translate Finnish - English:

In June 2002, the German Süddeutsche Zeitung published an article about the Estonia and Voronin's possible role in secret arms deals. Voronin was allegedly involved in the smuggling of Soviet space technology and weapons.

Aleksander Voronin was given the article to read, but never had time to comment on it in public, as he died unexpectedly of a stroke two weeks after the magazine's publication.
 
Vixen said:
Luckily, I am neither.
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You are a conspiracy theorist.


So vixen, what is software?

Do you believe Voronin dealt in spacecraft and/or space tech? Because if you say 'I'm just reporting what others have said' then that puts you in a bind. Either

1. You're reporting on something you believe to be true in which case we have to ask why you believe it

Or

2. You're reporting something you think is not true, in which case we have to ask why bother? Not only does reporting it without stating that you don't believe it give the wrong impression but it's also giving a platform for something you think is wrong without you saying so.

So which is it? Do you believe it, in which case show your evidence, or do you not, in which case why not disavow it now?
 
Vixen said:
From Post no. 2865:

I can confirm the correct translation from the German is, 'Spacecraft'.



Google translate Finnish - English:

In June 2002, the German Süddeutsche Zeitung published an article about the Estonia and Voronin's possible role in secret arms deals. Voronin was allegedly involved in the smuggling of Soviet space technology and weapons.

Aleksander Voronin was given the article to read, but never had time to comment on it in public, as he died unexpectedly of a stroke two weeks after the magazine's publication.
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What German? You're translating from Finnish there, and it doesn't say space craft it says space technology.

Do you have the original German to translate from but are only posting the Finnish for some reason? If you're translating it from the German supply that quote not just the Finnish reproduction of the claim.
 
MarkCorrigan said:
You are a conspiracy theorist.


So vixen, what is software?

Do you believe Voronin dealt in spacecraft and/or space tech? Because if you say 'I'm just reporting what others have said' then that puts you in a bind. Either

1. You're reporting on something you believe to be true in which case we have to ask why you believe it

Or

2. You're reporting something you think is not true, in which case we have to ask why bother? Not only does reporting it without stating that you don't believe it give the wrong impression but it's also giving a platform for something you think is wrong without you saying so.

So which is it? Do you believe it, in which case show your evidence, or do you not, in which case why not disavow it now?
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The very definition of a modern major general- sorry conspiracy theorist indeed...

And many of Vixens 'sources' have known to be rather 'right wing extremist' as well

Is Vixen herself???
Well no- not right wing 'extremist' but certainly has distinctive rightwing leanings, which tends to be the position of most conspiracy theorists in general....
 
MarkCorrigan said:
You are a conspiracy theorist.


So vixen, what is software?

Do you believe Voronin dealt in spacecraft and/or space tech? Because if you say 'I'm just reporting what others have said' then that puts you in a bind. Either

1. You're reporting on something you believe to be true in which case we have to ask why you believe it

Or

2. You're reporting something you think is not true, in which case we have to ask why bother? Not only does reporting it without stating that you don't believe it give the wrong impression but it's also giving a platform for something you think is wrong without you saying so.

So which is it? Do you believe it, in which case show your evidence, or do you not, in which case why not disavow it now?
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To reiterate:

From post '2,827

According to Rabe, the latter was the head of a Russian-US aerospace company, whose services were also used by the Pentagon. September 24, 2002, 07:14 Postimees"

Beyond that I have no idea what type of industry Voronin worked in or was subcontracted or hired as an agent.
 
Vixen said:
From Post no. 2865:

I can confirm the correct translation from the German is, 'Spacecraft'.



Google translate Finnish - English:

In June 2002, the German Süddeutsche Zeitung published an article about the Estonia and Voronin's possible role in secret arms deals. Voronin was allegedly involved in the smuggling of Soviet space technology and weapons.

Aleksander Voronin was given the article to read, but never had time to comment on it in public, as he died unexpectedly of a stroke two weeks after the magazine's publication.
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I was referring to Drew Wilson.
 
Dabop said:
The very definition of a modern major general- sorry conspiracy theorist indeed...

And many of Vixens 'sources' have known to be rather 'right wing extremist' as well

Is Vixen herself???
Well no- not right wing 'extremist' but certainly has distinctive rightwing leanings, which tends to be the position of most conspiracy theorists in general....
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The usual logical fallacy of ad hominem. So what 'distinctive rightwing leanings' do you imagine have I got? I will get into my listening pose.
 
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Vixen said:
From post '2,827

According to Rabe, the latter was the head of a Russian-US aerospace company, whose services were also used by the Pentagon. September 24, 2002, 07:14 Postimees"
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You said that you "can confirm the correct translation from the German is, 'Spacecraft'", but you persist in posting sources that say "aerospace". If they are getting this wrong, how can we rely on any of their other 'translations'?
 
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