Transwomen are not Women - Part 15

Thermal said:
Unlike many ITT, I read more than twitter, and have respect for the medical community.
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"Sense of self" is just woo-woo - Its right up there on the new-age bull-â—Šâ—Šâ—Šâ—Š scale with the inane scribblings of people like Deepak Chopra and Wayne Dyer. Pure, unadulterated hogwash! So too is "gender scale

Here, perhaps this website will help you "to reimagine your flow so that you can deal with your personal crossroads of knowledge and suffering"
 
mumblethrax said:
Not really. It's just your perception of who you are--your identity, beliefs, etc.
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I don't have any such "sense" of self, and I certainly don't have a "sense" of my gender. I simply know who and what I am.

I am a male - and how do I know that? Because I can see that I am - NOT because I have some internal touchy-feely new-age sense of maleness - I know because I have a dick and balls between my legs. When I look in the mirror, I see a male looking back at me

Anyone who is a male, and who looks down and sees they too have a dick and balls, and then looks in the mirror and is confused about what sex they are, has some seriously â—Šâ—Šâ—Šâ—Šâ—Šâ—Š up mental issues going on.
 
smartcooky said:
I don't have any such "sense" of self, and I certainly don't have a "sense" of my gender. I simply know who and what I am.
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We all have hierarchies of identify. Someone might consider herself a skeptic, for example. We all have beliefs. You can't tell what these are via physical examination.

This is just silly posturing.
 
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mumblethrax said:
I don't see any reason to believe that women, by and large, view public bathrooms as places to seek safety from predators.
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Once again you're assuming that assaults are the only issue. There's a wide spectrum between "nice bloke I came to the pub with who I still think is nice when we leave" and "stranger who tries to rape me".

You're also assuming women use the ladies in places where they go to socialise like men use the gents, i.e. just to pee and defecate. That is also a false assumption.
 
Pixel42 said:
Once again you're assuming that assaults are the only issue. There's a wide spectrum between "nice bloke I came to the pub with who I still think is nice when we leave" and "stranger who tries to rape me".
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No, I'm not assuming that assaults are the only issue. I'm assuming that they are an issue at all. That is, I am describing circumstances where seeing public restrooms as places to seek safety predators is inadvisable, and "stranger trying to rape you when there's not likely to be anyone else in the ladies'" is top of the list.

You're also assuming women use the ladies in places where they go to socialise like men use the gents, i.e. just to pee and defecate. That is also a false assumption.
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I did not make that assumption, and I have no idea why you'd think I did.
 
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mumblethrax said:
No, it isn't. If we know that gender identity non-discrimination does not increase the rate of sexual assault (or other crimes) in public bathrooms, it's wholly immaterial.
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Only if you have assumed that that crimes in public bathrooms are the only justification for sex based segregation.

And I suspect that the data is not good enough to prove your point.
 
Aber said:
Only if you have assumed that that crimes in public bathrooms are the only justification for sex based segregation.
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I don't assume crimes are the only justification for sex-based segregation. I assume they're the most serious harm that could be suffered.

And I suspect that the data is not good enough to prove your point.
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This isn't my problem.

It looks as if you did, and it's obvious why you did - you're male and haven't been in female only spaces.
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It doesn't look like I did, because I didn't. The thread is lousy with appeals to ignorance.

As for why I didn't make that assumption--believe it or not, I sometimes talk to women, and am aware of how they treat public restrooms differently from men.
 
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I'm not telepathic. If you only ever refer to the inadvisability of using female only toilets as a refuge from predator attacks and never to the other ways in which females use them (e.g. to escape less serious kinds of unwanted male attention), and consistently argue in favour of a policy change which would inevitably result in their abolition, then I think it's reasonable to assume you are unaware of the differences between how males and females use their sex segregated spaces. Most men are, in my experience.
 
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I've heard that it's not uncommon for women or girls (usually the latter) who have decided to pretend to be men to waltz breezily into the Gents and try to strike up conversations with the men there. To the intense embarrassment of said men.
 
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smartcooky said:
"Sense of self" is just woo-woo - Its right up there on the new-age bull-â—Šâ—Šâ—Šâ—Š scale with the inane scribblings of people like Deepak Chopra and Wayne Dyer. Pure, unadulterated hogwash! So too is "gender scale

Here, perhaps this website will help you "to reimagine your flow so that you can deal with your personal crossroads of knowledge and suffering"
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Lol, you are a riot! Sense of self is an old (and very basic) concept in psychology, and Plato and his boys talked about it at length as well. Here you go scooter, from that thar totally new age woo-woo reference, the American Psychological Association's dictionary:
dictionary.apa.org

APA Dictionary of Psychology

A trusted reference in the field of psychology, offering more than 25,000 clear and authoritative entries.
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The APA doesn't deal much in woo-woo, like for instance autogynephilia or transgenderism as a mental illness, lol.

I do love this ignorant hillbilly pose you are rocking lately, though. Keep up the good Poe!
 
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