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The sinking of MS Estonia: Case Reopened Part VII

Yes, it is a hazardous and dangerous venture requiring great skill. However, divers did make their way through the interior of the vessel to search for the briefcase belonging to Capt Piht, which was in the room of Voronin, IIRC. So when prosecutors or investigators require evidence, if they have the skilled manpower and specialised equipment, they will employ them.
That has nothing to do with the recovery of human remains. If you suggest that it was suspicious not to recover human remains, you have to content with what is actually involved in doing that. So far you seem unwilling to do so.
 
Sending technical divers* into the often tight enclosed spaces of sunken ships is a very hazardous operation indeed. Tech divers are burdened with significantly more equipment that regular scuba divers, and currents/thermals in cold-water open oceans can be vicious, and the divers have to wear bulky dry suits, which not only hamper mobility but also are at risk of tearing on jagged metal or broken glass - and if a diver were to have his/her drysuit ripped open at 80m in the Baltic Sea, that diver would almost certainly die from hypothermia (a diver cannot simply shoot up to the surface after diving at that sort of depth: a series of safety stops (to minimise the chance of contracting deadly bends) would easily require up to 2 hours extra in the water in a graduated surfacing).

Another factor here is that bottom time for any diver at 80m would be 20 minutes at most - meaning that the divers would have had to rush and expend extra energy (something you never ever want to do when diving: the CO2 build-up can kill you) if they wanted to enter the wreck, manhandle a dead body through small gaps, exit the wreck, and start off towards the surface, all in that shortened period of time.

Yet another factor is a more gruesome one. After a couple of weeks in water - even cold water - a body starts accumulating decomposition gases in its abdomen and thorax. In an enclosed wreck, leaving the body with negative buoyancy. if the body is trapped within the wreck it would probably be especially difficult to extricate

I've scuba dived at 32m at Scapa Flow in Orkney, wearing a mandatory drysuit. I dived close to WWI wrecks, and the currents were fierce. I wouldn't have dreamt of putting myself in danger by actually entering a wreck, and no dive supervisor would suggest such an action. On the other hand, I've dived a WWII wreck at 31m off the coast of Sinai in the Red Sea, wearing nothing but a thin rash vest in effectively zero-current conditions, which allowed be literally to swim through the hold of the ship and view the lines of supplies (including motorbikes jeeps, and tons of ammunition) that were on their way to our army in North Africa before the ship was sunk by a German aircraft.


* Technical diving is any diving below around 38m depth: below that depth, the diver is forced to breath a special tri-mix of gases which is not available to regular scuba divers. And almost all tech divers use rebreather equipment, which allows them to optimise their oxygen usage by reusing unspent oxygen, but it's cumbersome equipment - all the more so when diving at 80m, because the divers would have to be carrying spare tanks of tri-mix and oxygen with them as well.
I remember exploring wrecks in the Lakes, but they were well known quantities.
 
Are you actually reading stuff, or just skimming for the gist?

You wrote Andresson's body was not recovered "for some reason" and in literally your next sentence you remark that other crew bodies were recovered. Do you remember that? You wrote it today.

I'd be pretty confident that in the case of those crew member bodies that were recovered, they were either discovered at the surface (having either jumped into the sea themselves to avoid being sucked down with the sinking ship, or had died on eg the ship's deck, having gone down with the ship, and then floated back up to the surface) or in easily recoverable places on the wreck (eg having clipped themselves onto the rail and gone down with the ship).
 
That's not true. Braidwood...
I'm not talking about Braidwood. I'm talking about Jutta Rabe. The specific claim I have in mind is her claim that an unnamed Swedish diver reported that the captain of MS Estonia had been shot. To aid your failing memory, here is when we last discussed it.

So it is quite mistaken to claim her findings were untested or 'wishful thinking'.
The subsequent posts on the same page as the one linked above illustrate your wishiness in supposing that Rabe's claim was still somehow well founded, although you did say at the time you did not believe the claim. It simply repeats speculation that she was privy to information that you speculate she could not disclose for reasons you speculate existed.
 
Small point: divers to the Estonia reported that the bodies were still virtually intact. This is due to the very low temperature at that depth.

Bodies whose abdomen or thorax are distended owing to decomposing gases don't rupture or explode - they merely swell out and distend (the abdomen and thorax can take a surprising amount of distension before they rupture.
 
Bodies whose abdomen or thorax are distended owing to decomposing gases don't rupture or explode - they merely swell out and distend (the abdomen and thorax can take a surprising amount of distension before they rupture.
As shown on Mythbusters.
 
That has nothing to do with the recovery of human remains. If you suggest that it was suspicious not to recover human remains, you have to content with what is actually involved in doing that. So far you seem unwilling to do so.
I didn't say it was suspicious I said it seemed strange not to bring up the captain, given he was located and seen.
 
I'd be pretty confident that in the case of those crew member bodies that were recovered, they were either discovered at the surface (having either jumped into the sea themselves to avoid being sucked down with the sinking ship, or had died on eg the ship's deck, having gone down with the ship, and then floated back up to the surface) or in easily recoverable places on the wreck (eg having clipped themselves onto the rail and gone down with the ship).
You have to remember the people in the captains quarters were largely saved (a hugely overweight and in ill-health Voronin, for one) because they had the best access to lifeboats. Yet the 'missing' senior crew in the same advantageous quarters were neither found dead nor recovered, with the added issue of their relatives being informed they were survivors.
 
Vixen, are you going to apologise for lying when you said I claimed it was an ordinary deportation?

Are you going to admit your use of prime notation was incorrect?

Are you going to accept that you are not a scientist?
 

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