That's actually a somewhat puzzling result from that master of DNA deception, Stefanoni, but could be true. Often, according to the forensic literature, the male DNA from epithelial cells is swamped (down near the noise level of detection) by the large amount of victim epithelial cell DNA in a rape kit swab, so efforts are made, using known methods, to isolate the sperm fraction. Apparently the epithelial cell DNA from Guede was readily detectable in the vaginal swab. For some unknown reason, Stefanoni did not include any results to the court or defense from the anal or oral swabs, if they were actually taken. I don't recall if quantitative DNA results from the rape kit were provided to the defense and made public.
Cont: The Trials of Amanda Knox and Raffaele Sollecito: Part 32
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Stacyhs
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Yet again, NO ONE SAID IT WAS SEMINAL. It's yet another example of you misrepresenting what is said. Why do you continue to do that when you must know you'll be called out on it?
Stacyhs
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Look. Suppose you just answer the damn question SpitfireIX asked instead of going into some irrelevant and unrelated imaginary scenario?
" Would you falsely accuse someone of burglary, if you were uncertain of the identification, just to back up your significant other?"
Stacyhs
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How? There is no forensic evidence tying any one person to locking that door. Perhaps if they had bothered to test the outside door handle, there would be. But they didn't for some unfathomable reason. And do not bring up the footprint outside the door that was a) negative for blood, b) negative for DNA, and c) only compatible with Knox's foot but never compared to any of the other 3 girls who lived there.
Vixen
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Because they wanted to be there when the body was found. If they were not there it might be suspicious but to mingle with the crowd and gauge everyone's reactions, to carefully watch whether anyone suspects them, even ghoulishness. In her email to her 25 contacts AK said she had been frantically worried about Mez, banging on her door, calling her name, trying to look in her window (an incredibly foolish enterprise given it was fourteen feet off the ground at the back), it was all very strange that in reality, she wasn't at the forefront of when the door was kicked down to see whether her dear friend was all right. Instead, the pair hung back in the kitchen. Whilst Filomena was freaking out and having a meltdown, AK was telling the cop it wasn't unusual for the door to be locked. She didn't even tell Filomena her window was smashed until FR rang HER, after the police had already arrived, to let her know. FR rang AK, not the other way round.
Vixen
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I don't answer hypothetical questions. I abhor what-if, would could and should nonsense. There needs to be context.
SpitfireIX
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Continuing evasion noted.
It's a simple yes/no question. Would you falsely accuse someone of burglary, if you were uncertain of the identification, just to back up your significant other?
As for your silly response, first, that's a terrible example, because Brad Pitt is an A-list celebrity, so obviously the police aren't going to take your accusation seriously. Second, if we take the case of a random nobody who really was in your apartment, then, yes, that person is a burglar, irrespective of whether or not he's charged and convicted. As we've explained to you ad nauseam, we're interested in factual innocence or guilt here, which may or may not align with what a court ruled.
Vixen
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The last person in the room locked it. The person who scattered a ripped up receipt on top of the duvet covering her 'friend', showing the paper scattering happened AFTER the murder, which was also scattered over Filomena's room. This indicates the mise-en-scene happened after the murder. A shard of glass from FR's window was trailed into Mez' room. A mixed DNA of AK and MK - with a high RFU indicating blood - was found in FR's room. There was zero, zippo, zilch forensic trace of Guede in FR's room at all, even though he was supposed to have come in all muddy and leafy through her window, according to the story.
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Vixen
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If that person, charged with murder, was well known nationally because of the sensationalist news reports, then yes, you do get cranks coming forward. It's all very well only coming forward weeks later. A least at the Milan nursery, police witnessed RG on the premises so had probable cause to prosecute.
SpitfireIX
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No. You just don't want to answer because answering would discredit your contention that Taratanamo's girlfriend's identification of Guede as the person whom they caught burglarizing their place should be discounted.
Vixen
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I didn't say it was discounted. I said it didn't much strengthen his claim because of the third-party thing.
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What a silly argument. Why would it be suspicious? They planned on going to Gubbio, and they went... HOW in the world could that be any more suspicious than Filomena or Laura going out of town? There was zero reason to suspect Amanda, and everyone's reaction would be entirely focused on Meredith the victim, they would not be checking Amanda out, looking for her response. And, BTW, the beauty of not being present when the body is found is you are not required to 'act as you should'... something the Italians, the media and most PGP just love to judge.
And then, as if on queue, your start wandering down an unrelated path again. You do realize it's a narrow hallway, with minimal space around the door, and several other people were already there. It takes some space to back up and throw yourself against a door, using up even more space. Someone wasn't going to be in front of the door when it was broken down, but I'm not surprised that in your desperation you find even this as incriminating.
Filomena says that's what Amanda said. Amanda says otherwise. But per pro-guilt mantra, one must accept Amanda is lying and Filomena is correct. Of course, I'd love to know how either of them are supposed to know when Meredith locks her door. Were either of them checking the door to see if locked when closed?
The first time Amanda mentioned to Filomena the window was broken was the first time she spoke to her after actually discovering the window broken.
Vixen
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I was referring to what Bastistelli testified. He was the one who noticed lack of affect and hanging back. Then you had her ringing her mother in the USA west coast pacific time (4:00am) ahead of the door being kicked down. This was the FIRST time Knox had rung home since being in Italy! In court she claimed she couldn't remember it much to Edda's surprise..
Vixen
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Only after the cops had arrived. And only then did RS call the police, some think from Knox' room.
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I believe you meant Battistelli. He might have noticed Amanda and Raffaele not in front of the door (nothing wrong there), and it seems everyone had an opinion regarding Amanda's reaction (and given she did not understand what was going on...), but that doesn't address your claim of "they wanted to be there when the body was found. If they were not there it might be suspicious...". That is the part of your post that I called silly, but more to the point, it's illogical.
And again, down a different path you go. What does Amanda calling her mother have to do with this discussion? She called her mother because of finding the door open, blood in the bathroom and an unflushed toilet. What is wrong with that? Certain not incriminating. The fact that she couldn't remember calling her mother is actually proof she was very distraught and not thinking clearly, just like forgetting she replied to Lumumba's SMS. There's nothing about it that is incriminating in either instance.. just the opposite, in fact.
Can Vixen provide any evidence Amanda had not phoned her mother prior to the morning Meredith's body was discovered from phone records or will Vixen be unable to provide evidence which shows this claim is a yet another lie.
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Wrong. The last call between Amanda and Filomena was at 12:34, and that's when she told her about the window. Amanda then called her mother to tell her about the broken window at 12:47, and it was during that call that Edda told her to call the police and Chris said to get out of the house. The Postal Police arrived well after that, while both Amanda and Raffaele were waiting outside. And Raffaele absolutely called the Carabinieri before the Postal's arrived, as proven in court, and as accepted by all courts but Nenicni.
Here's an interesting short paper discussing the issue of detecting male DNA from non-sperm cells in sexual assault cases where there has been no sperm detected:
The paper points out that Y-STR (a locus unique to males) typing is a valuable exclusionary tool but has limitations as a unique identifier since many males in a population will share the same Y-STR profile. However, in instances when other evidence is strong enough, the Y-STR may be helpful in confirming a sexual contact. I don't know whether or not Stefanoni identified to the Knox - Sollecito defense or elsewhere the methods she used to identify Guede's epithelial cells as present inside Kercher's vagina.
Stacyhs
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Earlier you claimed they wanted to "distance themselves". How is being there when the body is discovered distancing themselves?
Why would it be any more suspicious than Laura, Filomena, and the boys downstairs not being there? Is it any more suspicious than Filomena being at the fair?
They had no idea that Filomena would bring Paola or that Marco and Luca would also come so no crowd was anticipated to 'mingle with' in the first place. They were there alone when RS called 112 and they had no idea how long it would take Filomena to arrive. The carabinieri office isn't far from the cottage (just north of RS's apartment) and they would have arrived earlier except for having trouble finding the cottage, even having to call to get directions.
Why on earth would they think anyone suspected them immediately?
"Even ghoulishness".......oh, for Christ's sake. You just can't help injecting your own fantasies.
That's why she tried to see if she could see into her window from the terrace. You call it 'foolish' while I see it as deep concern.
Injecting your own guilt spin yet again. There were 6 people in addition to them in that corridor. The later arrivals and the police had naturally gone to the end of the corridor where they could see the bedrooms and bathroom and then backed up so Luca could kick down the door. But leave it to you to see that as RS and AK hanging back intentionally for some nefarious reason.
First you say that AK hung back when she should have been at the door out of concern for her "dear friend" and then complain that she didn't call FR immediately about a broken window instead of trying to see into MK's bedroom out of concern for her. I get whiplash from your posts.
Stacyhs
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True. And the only evidence of anyone in that room aside from Kercher was Guede.
No one disputes it happened after the murder so why harp on about it? And I fixed you typo for you.
Which shows the glass was broken before the murder.
Oh, god...that one yet again? No matter how many times Garofano's false claim is countered by other forensic experts, you just keep repeating it.
There was zero, zippo, zilch forensic trace of Knox is MK's room at all, even though she was supposed to have violently struggled with MK and forcibly held her down, according to your story. You can't have it both ways no matter how much you want it.
No one has claimed but you that "he was supposed to have come in all muddy and leafy through her window". In fact, we've said just the opposite.