Cont: The Trials of Amanda Knox and Raffaele Sollecito: Part 32

Vixen said:
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Just more evasion. I've read your comments and they don't explain how Hamza's human rights were violated that equate to or are even similar to the 2019 ECHR's and the Italian SC's 2008 rulings that Knox's rights were violated.
Vixen said:
Just because my comments are too intellectual for some, I don't see why I should be victimised for it. But it comes with the territory so I expect it.
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Do people, big strong intellectual people with tears in their eyes, come up to you and say "Vixen, you are so intellectual! The most intellectual person like the world has never seen! You invented the word "intellectual". People don't know that. Thank you, Vixen!"?
 
Stacyhs said:
Just more evasion. I've read your comments and they don't explain how Hamza's human rights were violated that equate to or are even similar to the 2019 ECHR's and the Italian SC's 2008 rulings that Knox's rights were violated.

Do people, big strong intellectual people with tears in their eyes, come up to you and say "Vixen, you are so intellectual! The most intellectual person like the world has never seen! You invented the word "intellectual". People don't know that. Thank you, Vixen!"?
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Good grief O'Reilly! Like AK and RS Hamza applied for Article 6, Article 8 and Article 3 protection. The ECHR had clout in his case as the US had to prove he would not be subject to inhumane treatment, which they are known for. But then you knew that. RS and AK were simply using ECHR as a kind of appeals court - well Hamza was trying his luck, too, and it worked for years because of the US having a record almost as bad as China re executions, considered a breach of human rights in Europe. Likewise, ECHR can also act with alacrity in getting an urgent order to stop a state putting an asylum seeker on a plane to Rwanda. The reason people like AK and RS wait years is because people such as themselves clog up the system. Knox had a fishing shopping list as long as your arm, citing Uncle Tom Cobley and all, yet only won on one Article 6 and one minor subsection on Article 3. She demanded €2m in compo. She was awarded peanuts and told to go forth and multiply. For some reason Dalla Vedova thought she'd hit the jackpot when she walked from M-B. As for your sarcasm, quite the opposite, I am subjected to severe bullying.
 
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Stacyhs said:
If Knox was callous for not going to the vigil, then Laura and Filomena must be also.
You hoisted yourself on your own petard there.
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Laura and Filomena were not the subject of the conversation. They were not murder suspects and nor did their behaviour draw negative attention to themselves. Laura was spending the weekend in Rome with her family. It's not relevant.
 
Vixen said:
Good grief O'Reilly! Like AK and RS Hamza applied for Article 6, Article 8 and Article 3 protection.
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Knox did not apply under Article 8. Simply applying under the same article (s) does not make it relevant when the ECHR made different findings for Hamza and Knox regarding them.

Vixen said:
The ECHR had clout in his case as the US had to prove he would not be subject to inhumane treatment, which they are known for. But then you knew that. RS and AK were simply using ECHR as a kind of appeals court - well Hamza was trying his luck, too, and it worked for years because of the US having a record almost as bad as China re executions, considered a breach of human rights in Europe. Likewise, ECHR can also act with alacrity in getting an urgent order to stop a state putting an asylum seeker on a plane to Rwanda. The reason people like AK and RS wait years is because people such as themselves clog up the system. Knox had a fishing shopping list as long as your arm, citing Uncle Tom Cobley and all, yet only won on one Article 6 and one minor subsection on Article 3. She demanded €2m in compo. She was awarded peanuts and told to go forth and multiply. For some reason Dalla Vedova thought she'd hit the jackpot when she walked from M-B.
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Already been over this rubbish.

Vixen said:
As for your sarcasm, quite the opposite, I am subjected to severe bullying.
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Vixen said:
Laura and Filomena were not the subject of the conversation. They were not murder suspects and nor did their behaviour draw negative attention to themselves. Laura was spending the weekend in Rome with her family. It's not relevant.
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You claimed Knox was callous for not attending the vigil. Both Laura and Filomena were in Perugia the night of the vigil but, according to you, only Knox was callous for not attending the vigil.
It doesn't matter whether AK and RS were suspects or not as they didn't know that at the time. But thanks for admitting that Knox and Sollecito were suspects BEFORE the Nov. 5/6 interrogations even began...something you've denied before claiming they were only "witnesses".
 
Vixen said:
Your claim that it can't be Sollecito's footprint on the bathmat because he wouldn't have left it there childlike logic is hilarious.
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What's hilarious is your stupid straw man argument. She didn't just say "he wouldn't have left it there." You claim, falsely, that Amanda and Raffaele extensively cleaned the cottage. Her argument is that, if that were true, they wouldn't have left it there and then pointed it out to the police.

Vixen said:
It's his footprint alright.
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In your guilter fantasy.

Vixen said:
Measured by forensic engineering draughtsmen (=technical drawing experts) . . .
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I'm a technical drawing expert. I'm qualified to evaluate their work. You're not. As has been explained in the past, and you ignore as usual, Rinaldi made a critical measurement error, failing to notice that the tip of the second toe is merged with the tip of the big toe. This is how he came up with the 30mm width for the big toe. If you look at both prints, and take into account the merging, you can see that the shape of the big toe is much closer to Guede's than Raffaele's, and it's also too narrow to be Raffaele's.

Further, as defense expert Venci demonstrated, with correct measurements, the bottom of Raffaele's foot is too large to have made the print.

Vixen said:
. . . to the smallest nano-millimetre . . .
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There's no such unit as a nano-millimeter. If there were, it would be considerably smaller than the diameter of even the tiniest atom. Or are you going to try to tell us that your teachers in secondary school accepted "nano-millimetre" as correct notation as long as they knew what you meant? :rolleyes:

Even if we grant that you meant nanometer, that's still one billionth of a meter. That's less than 10 times the diameter of an atom. How could anyone possibly make such a precise measurement, especially of a footprint made in diluted blood on a cotton bath mat??

Thanks for proving yet again that you're not qualified to discuss science.

Vixen said:
. . . complete with his hammer toe thrown in!
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I imagine that what you and other guilters take to be a hammer toe is the 5th toe, which you mistake for the 4th toe, again because the 1st and 2nd toes are merged. But even if that weren't the case, the space between the toe print and the sole is far from conclusive, as the toe in question could have been curled or otherwise tucked back when the print was left, due to stepping or sliding.

Vixen said:
Oh dear.
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Yes, oh, dear. You're wrong as usual, but you won't admit it, and continue to falsely accuse everyone else of refusing to face the truth. :rolleyes:
 
Vixen said:
Laura and Filomena were not the subject of the conversation. They were not murder suspects and nor did their behaviour draw negative attention to themselves. Laura was spending the weekend in Rome with her family. It's not relevant.
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Amanda and Raffaele are in a no win situation. If they don't go to the memorial they are callous and indifferent to Meredith but if they had gone they would have been condemned for pretending to care for Meredith and putting on an act. Vixen has such a virulent hatred of Amanda and a Vendetta against Amanda, Amanda will be viciously attacked whatever she does.
 
Welshman said:
Amanda and Raffaele are in a no win situation. If they don't go to the memorial they are callous and indifferent to Meredith but if they had gone they would have been condemned for pretending to care for Meredith and putting on an act. Vixen has such a virulent hatred of Amanda and a Vendetta against Amanda, Amanda will be viciously attacked whatever she does.
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Oh, worse than that, they would have been "compelled to attend by their guilty consciences!"
 
SpitfireIX said:
What's hilarious is your stupid straw man argument. She didn't just say "he wouldn't have left it there." You claim, falsely, that Amanda and Raffaele extensively cleaned the cottage. Her argument is that, if that were true, they wouldn't have left it there and then pointed it out to the police.


In your guilter fantasy.


I'm a technical drawing expert. I'm qualified to evaluate their work. You're not. As has been explained in the past, and you ignore as usual, Rinaldi made a critical measurement error, failing to notice that the tip of the second toe is merged with the tip of the big toe. This is how he came up with the 30mm width for the big toe. If you look at both prints, and take into account the merging, you can see that the shape of the big toe is much closer to Guede's than Raffaele's, and it's also too narrow to be Raffaele's.

Further, as defense expert Venci demonstrated, with correct measurements, the bottom of Raffaele's foot is too large to have made the print.


There's no such unit as a nano-millimeter. If there were, it would be considerably smaller than the diameter of even the tiniest atom. Or are you going to try to tell us that your teachers in secondary school accepted "nano-millimetre" as correct notation as long as they knew what you meant? :rolleyes:

Even if we grant that you meant nanometer, that's still one billionth of a meter. That's less than 10 times the diameter of an atom. How could anyone possibly make such a precise measurement, especially of a footprint made in diluted blood on a cotton bath mat??

Thanks for proving yet again that you're not qualified to discuss science.


I imagine that what you and other guilters take to be a hammer toe is the 5th toe, which you mistake for the 4th toe, again because the 1st and 2nd toes are merged. But even if that weren't the case, the space between the toe print and the sole is far from conclusive, as the toe in question could have been curled or otherwise tucked back when the print was left, due to stepping or sliding.


Yes, oh, dear. You're wrong as usual, but you won't admit it, and continue to falsely accuse everyone else of refusing to face the truth. :rolleyes:
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For goodness sake, Vinci was accused of photoshopping his image; i.e., manipulating it to try to make it (a) look larger, and (b) look more like Guede's. Problem is, Guede was three shoe sizes larger than RS, his footprint looks completely different from RS or AK. The latter appear to have high arches whereas RS' is nearer the ground, as it were. As for 'nano' that is merely a colloquial Brit term meaning super-tiny. The pair pointing out the 'burglary' and blood in the bathroom was part of their 'random burglary' narrative. They knew what lay behind the door as they were the ones who locked it. The pair even dragged Napoleoni away from her car as she was about to leave the scene to make sure she saw Guede's faeces in the loo,
 
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Stacyhs said:
You claimed Knox was callous for not attending the vigil. Both Laura and Filomena were in Perugia the night of the vigil but, according to you, only Knox was callous for not attending the vigil.
It doesn't matter whether AK and RS were suspects or not as they didn't know that at the time. But thanks for admitting that Knox and Sollecito were suspects BEFORE the Nov. 5/6 interrogations even began...something you've denied before claiming they were only "witnesses".
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No, that is incorrect. I said Knox said, '◊◊◊◊ happens' and failed to attend Mez' vigil, which Mez; friends perceived as Knox being callous. In particular, her behaviour in the Questura. Knox' counsel knew this behaviour could be incriminating and made a move to stop an Italian journalist from publishing tuue accounts of Knox wanting to write a song about her 'friend's murder' and yelling that she could 'murder a pizza'. She was off her head on adrenaline. True to form, Della Vedova tried to demand €500,000 in damages for something that was true. But then Dalla Vedova had no problem representing the Rizzuto crime family over a bridge deal in Canada.
 
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Welshman said:
Amanda and Raffaele are in a no win situation. If they don't go to the memorial they are callous and indifferent to Meredith but if they had gone they would have been condemned for pretending to care for Meredith and putting on an act. Vixen has such a virulent hatred of Amanda and a Vendetta against Amanda, Amanda will be viciously attacked whatever she does.
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Mez' friends witnessed her behaviour, you did not. Knox even loudly pontificated to Sollecito in a wired up police waiting room that Sophie's boyfriend Shaky was a really shady character, which ended up with Sophie barred from leaving Italy and she and Shaky having their phones tapped, as well as long police interviews. Poor Sophie had to tolerate Knox showing off at the Questura, ringing up all her friends saying she'd found the body, and about how Mez had died in agony using vile profanities 'as she had her neck slashed'. This is factual and nothing at all to do with your childlike ascribings..
 
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Stacyhs said:
Knox did not apply under Article 8. Simply applying under the same article (s) does not make it relevant when the ECHR made different findings for Hamza and Knox regarding them.


Already been over this rubbish.
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What do you think the case of Salduz ~vs~ Turkey is about, the oft-quoted case law referenced in AK's application and in this thread?

In the ECHR case of Salduz v. Turkey, "Salduz" refers to Yusuf Salduz, a Turkish national who was 17 years old at the time of his arrest. He was arrested in connection with an illegal demonstration and accused of hanging an illegal banner. The case is notable because the European Court of Human Rights (ECHR) found a violation of Article 6 of the European Convention on Human Rights due to Salduz being denied access to a lawyer during police interrogation.
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Likewise, Hamaz made similar claims. So at least we now know you had no idea who or what half these human rights case referred to. The ECHR case law refers to real people really beaten up and tortured under police interrogation. It is such a vanity for Knox to claim she was the same. At least we now know Stacyhs after all this time had no idea what ECHR case law referred to!
 
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I am glad people are beginning to see how ludicrous AK's claim to the ECHR was when you see how serious claims of police torture and brutal interrogation of terror and political suspects is, compared with a kindly doctor telling you your medical care test result was probably a false positive and catching you out at the scene of a crime.
 
Vixen said:
I am glad people are beginning to see how ludicrous AK's claim to the ECHR was when you see how serious claims of police torture and brutal interrogation of terror and political suspects is, compared with a kindly doctor telling you your medical care test result was probably a false positive and catching you out at the scene of a crime.
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Bwahahahahaha... thanks for the laugh.

Now please explain why you never have any answers to any questions or evidence that proves you lie constantly.
 
Vixen said:
I think they were heard as preferring to have some 'hot sex' as though anyone was fooled into thinking they were the great love affair of the century as portrayed in Netflix.
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I don't have any reason to believe your claims about this.
 
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