Transwomen are not Women - Part 15

Darat said:
I've never made that claim.
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So what is the meaning of this post?
Darat said:
Exactly what I said. The adults in schools i.e. teaching, admin and maintenance staff don't use the same toilets as students, not even in schools that have 16 year old plus students, no student would be taking any non student into any toilet. The comment was about the claim being made in the tweet.
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Not sure if this case has already been mentioned...

In July 2024, Northumberland Police attended a pride march in Rotherham, not as public security, but as participants. Uniformed officers took part, marching as a group, bearing pride flags and painting a police van in pride colours in support of the event. It was wholly inappropriate for a law enforcement organization to take part on one side of a controversial political issue.

Members of the LGB (minus T) community were incensed by this (and rightly so) so one of their number decided to take legal action against the Northumberland Police and their chief constable, Vanessa Jardine, for allowing this to happen. Linzi Smith, a gender-critical lesbian who believes sex is immutable, alleges police were effectively supporting one side of a political event debate, gender ideology, when they are supposed to remain strictly neutral.

Well, the High Court has spoken... and Linzi Smith won her case...

www.theguardian.com

Uniformed police officers were wrong to march in Pride event, high court rules

Ruling against Northumbria police could affect other forces’ attendance at Remembrance parades and religious events, sources fear
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The judgment found that the chief constable of Northumbria acted “irrationally” and breached a duty of impartiality by officially supporting the event, which was alleged to have supported views that people could change their gender.​
“She (Smith)objects to what she sees as the force and/or members of the force associating themselves with the views of supporters of gender ideology and transgender activists by actively participating in the event.”​
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The judge made clear he was not ruling on the merits of the highly charged transgender debate, but whether a body could officially support a disputed cause without breaching a duty of impartiality it was legally bound to observe.​

Awsome! This is a decision that will have a huge impact on policing throughout the UK. The courts are starting to come down hard on the ideologically captured Police force. And about time too.

As for the Police, they make this spurious argument....
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Nationally, police chiefs are rushing to understand the judgment and its potential scope. One police source spoke of hearing concerns that forces could not be officially represented at Remembrance parades, events in support of the armed services, or community and religious celebrations, if anyone could object.​

.... which is complete crap. Remembrance Day, Armed Services parades, and community/religious celebrations are NOT Politically controversial.

Here is the judgement if anyone wants to read it. Its long, but its entertaining to watch the judge rip the Northumberland Police and their legal counsel a new one - Warning: 450kb PDF

Linzi Smith is the woman who had trouble with Newcastle United Football Club, who banned her for her gender critical views. On the basis on ONE complaint from another fan, the Northumbria Police followed her around for three months trying to catch her saying some hurty words about transgenderism. They allocated 14 Police officers (yes, that's not a typo, 14) to this task --- yet in the UK at the moment, if your house is burgled, you will be lucky if even one police officer can be bothered to respond.

Here is an interesting video of Linzi in an interview with "mrmenno" a gay YouTube content creator.


Time stamps for the interesting bits
7:34 to 13:52 - The Police investigation.
18:09 onwards Infiltrating the pride march and taking legal action.
 
I've a few replies left outstanding in the queue here, but before I get to any of those, have any of you folks heard of the new book from Robert Wintemute? I'm around eight chapters in now (binge reading on a couple long flights) and it is easily one of the best books on the topic of how transgender rights interact with women's rights, written from an international legal perspective rather than an activist perspective or a philosophical perspective.

I'm going to try to drop a sample in here, so you can get a sense of his writing style:

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Wintemute has plenty of street cred as a prominent human rights practitioner who was involved in the original formulation of the “Yogyakarta Principles” before the 2017 revision; also, he has been working in defense of LGB legal rights for decades prior to taking his current positions on the incompatibility of the those rights with the new demands being made by TQ activists.

ETA: Tagging @LondonJohn in case he ever checks in again.
 
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Those men who blithely tell women that the best solution to the bathroom issue is for them to be deprived of their single-sex facilities and forced to use single-occupancy cubicles turn about with men, should read this.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1950254725091176779

In fact, click on it and read the thread.

This is by no means unusual. Girls start their period in all sorts of places and have to learn to deal with it while continuing with whatever else it is they have to do at the time. Older women have pregnancy issues and disasters, still older women have the Sandie Peggie issue of menstrual flooding (some women have this all their fertile lives) and whether or not this is actually happening to you the availability of a women-only support system based around women's toilets is something most women value highly.

For men to tell us that we shouldn't have it any more because some men are making a fuss about us not wanting them in our spaces is simply monstrous.
 
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Rolfe said:
worldathletics.org

World Athletics introduces SRY gene test for athletes wishing to compete in the female category | PRESS-RELEASES | World Athletics

The World Athletics Council has approved new regulations concerning eligibility conditions to compete in the female category for world ranking competitions
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This is great, but the only concern is have is the Member Federations doing the testing rather than WA itself. There are a number of national Federations who would quite happily cheat by fudging the tests.
There needs to at least be a provision for either WA or other Member Federations to challenge the eligibility of athletes.
 
smartcooky said:
Here is the judgement if anyone wants to read it. Its long, but its entertaining to watch the judge rip the Northumberland Police and their legal counsel a new one - Warning: 450kb PDF
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Thanks for the link to the judgment itself - I often enjoy reading British judges' writing as they are so well done. This one, like many others, is clear and easy to follow.
 
smartcooky said:
This is great, but the only concern is have is the Member Federations doing the testing rather than WA itself. There are a number of national Federations who would quite happily cheat by fudging the tests.
There needs to at least be a provision for either WA or other Member Federations to challenge the eligibility of athletes.
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Movement is in the right direction, and I would hope additional checks could be introduced later if there were concerns.

My main complaint is that it applies only to elite athletes, but this is the category where it is easiest to implement. Again one can hope for the scheme to be extended in the future.
 
I think Darat means that if the police are no longer permitted to dress up in trans stripes and pet "pups" and cavort along the streets with the perverts, they'll revert to spitting on honest gays. Assuming there are any honest gays left among the attendees at that porn-fest.
 
You're not being terribly rational here Darat. There's a huge sociological study waiting to be done into how the police flipped from intense homophobia to blind worship of the trans cult in only a few years. Will they revert to the homophobia if their adulation of the perverts, the "adult babies", the pink-white-and-blue striped paedophiles and the LARPing AGPs is curbed? Who knows, but there's a complex issue here which needs to be addressed.
 
Rolfe said:
You're not being terribly rational here Darat. There's a huge sociological study waiting to be done into how the police flipped from intense homophobia to blind worship of the trans cult in only a few years. Will they revert to the homophobia if their adulation of the perverts, the "adult babies", the pink-white-and-blue striped paedophiles and the LARPing AGPs is curbed? Who knows, but there's a complex issue here which needs to be addressed.
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Although I have to confess, that while the sarcasm is pinned top-scale, there is a disturbingly large element of truth in what you posted!
 
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I wasn't actually being sarcastic. It's a huge mystery as to how the police, notorious for their homophobia, could flip into what we've been seeing recently with their adulation of all things trans even to the point of turning a blind eye to sex offences, pursuing people for "anti-trans" tweets and acting as enforcers for trans vexatious litigants. I mean not just how it was accomplished but how it was even possible.

The stock answer is that it's an overcompensation for having persecuted gay people in the past, but I don't think that's it, or at least it's not the whole story. Like Darat I suspect the underlying homophobia hasn't gone away. There's something deeply unhealthy about the adulation of frank, overt perversions and the wildly over the top performative "allyship", going all the way to the top of the force.
 
smartcooky said:
Not sure if this case has already been mentioned...

In July 2024, Northumberland Police attended a pride march in Rotherham, not as public security, but as participants. Uniformed officers took part, marching as a group, bearing pride flags and painting a police van in pride colours in support of the event. It was wholly inappropriate for a law enforcement organization to take part on one side of a controversial political issue.
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You know the cops here take part in pride/rainbow parades and nobody objects to them?

Seems like a good thing to me.

www.police.govt.nz

Police on parade (with video)

New Zealand Police
www.police.govt.nz www.police.govt.nz
 
You're quite sure nobody objects? You're quite sure nobody sees this as the police taking sides in a hugely contentious debate and feels that this compromises at least the perception that they will act in a fair and unbiassed manner?
 
I think Darat's problem is that he still regards "LGBT" as a single group, all for one and one for all. He doesn't see that the T doesn't belong, that the T has infiltrated the LGB like a cuckoo in the nest (or maybe more like an ichneumon fly) and is using it for its own purposes. There have always been ultra-feminine gay men who liked to wear women's clothes and take on what they saw as a "feminine" persona, so there was a natural connection there, but that has been completely subverted. Trans is no longer about ultra-feminine gay men, it's about AGP and the AGP takeover or women's rights.

Darat doesn't realise that a fair proportion of the L has already left the group, either by self-exclusion or expulsion, for the sin of not being prepared to have heterosexual sex with men who say they're women. A proportion of the G is beginning to catch on as the importunate, disturbed girls with their testosterone injections and their floppy bits of transplanted arm skin between their legs (or indeed without the latter) become more of a nuisance, demanding to be included in gay social events and dating pools. I think more normal gay men will join the exodus.

The T is actually profoundly homophobic. If there's no such thing as sex there's no such thing as same-sex attraction. If anyone can be a man or a woman just by saying so, and if it's evil transphobia not to want to have sex with them because of the type of body they happen to have, then "gay" and "lesbian" no longer mean anything. Girls being shamed for not wanting to be penetrated by trans-identifying men who have hooked up with them on lesbian dating sites was the start, but they were easily bullied. Gay men who are being pressurised to accept androgenised women as sex partners might not be quite so easy to brush aside.
 
Rolfe said:
You're quite sure nobody objects? You're quite sure nobody sees this as the police taking sides in a hugely contentious debate and feels that this compromises at least the perception that they will act in a fair and unbiassed manner?
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Well I can only talk for Australia, but even when I worked for the police in the late 80s and early 90s police participated in gay parades in uniforms. And nobody was worried about it.

This turned sour in recent years as activists (to my understanding only the LGB component) objected to police purely on the basis that their friends were often arrested by police. Not for being gay etc (perfectly legal) but for other offences. Which is disgusting behaviour by said activists.

Anyway, police are no longer allowed to participate in uniform.
 
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