Transwomen are not Women - Part 15

[Thermal]

Thermal: Sincere trans women should have access to women's restrooms for reasons of courtesy and practicality.

Also Thermal: I refuse to elaborate on how to practically define or identify a sincere trans woman.

I have it on good authority from posters on your side that you can't tell anything about anybody based on their words and actions. But you can definitively do so if they check a box. You guys need to huddle up and get something coherent going in your glass houses before throwing those rocks around?

Meanwhile I'm still lagging behind, stuck on questions of courtesy and practicality.

You were running a Q&A that you abruptly backed out of when I kept repeating that I didn't accept your parameters... that you kept restating. Were we done, there?

 

[theprestige]

You introduced the idea of effort, not me. Why? Nobody knows. Not even you, apparently.

And you wonder why I'm confused about your positions. You know that old saying about how if everyone you know is an ◊◊◊◊◊◊◊, it's you? Well, if nobody understands your position, it's you.

Nobody understands your position.

I think I understand Thermal's position just fine:

Women owe it to trans identifying males to accommodate them wherever it doesn't bother Thermal.

 

[smartcooky]

Well then you have probably hundreds of posts I've put up where I break it all down in considerable detail, including in this very exchange. I suggest reading them if you are interested, rather than ignoring them while simultaneously demanding I repeat them.

It doesn't make any difference how many posts you make where you "break it all down in considerable detail" when those details are inconsistent, incomprehensible, and conflict with each other.
Your posts reek of sheer disdain for anyone who doesn't agree with you, as is evident when you start referring to them as tranny- bashers and bigots...

And oh please... Trans-Identified Male is a slur now? Really? Oh boy, Your TRA trainers appear to be doing a fine job.

 

[smartcooky]

I think I understand Thermal's position just fine:

Women owe it to trans identifying males to accommodate them wherever it doesn't bother Thermal.

QFT

 

[Aber]

Austin Aber: International Man of Mystery...

/Life of Brian mode
Or woman
/off

 

[Aber]

I responded directly to your one liner claim, with detailed rebuttal including the statement from McDonalds that they have no such policies for franchisees, leaving it up to them.

Your rebuttal was to a claim I had not made. I've explained it fully above.

And then apparently you're concerned about misgendering me.

 

[Ziggurat]

I have it on good authority from posters on your side that you can't tell anything about anybody based on their words and actions.

Straw man yet again. Or maybe you really are that bad at reading comprehension.

 

[smartcooky]

Straw man yet again. Or maybe you really are that bad at reading comprehension.

Why not, when he appears to have access to a never-ending supply.

 

[Emily's Cat]

Indeed. Thermal professes to believe that...

a. males should not be allowed to cross the sex-segregation line to enter female-only spaces
b "transwomen" should be allowed to cross that line.

It's hard to keep track, but try to be fair - Thermal has only stipulated this for bathrooms. They've opposed it for prisons, and I *think* for showers/changing rooms/locker rooms/saunas/etc.

 

[theprestige]

It's hard to keep track, but try to be fair - Thermal has only stipulated this for bathrooms. They've opposed it for prisons, and I *think* for showers/changing rooms/locker rooms/saunas/etc.

He's opposed it anywhere he must acknowledge biological essentialism but can still dismiss women's opinions.

 

[Emily's Cat]

Multiple issues: 1) I don't use that slur

I don't care if you think it's a slur to use clear and unambiguous language in this situation, Thermal.

Calling a male human who has a gender identity issue a "transwoman" implicitly asserts that they are a type of woman. In doing so, it creates a situations where all female humans are nothing more than a subset of our own sex class - and I object to that notion entirely. I find it toxically degrading to coerce language that relegates female humans to nothing more than a mental notion, and places us in a group that males can enter on nothing more than their say so.

When you use the term "transwoman", you're ceding the word "woman" to males. I'm not going to surrender the word for my sex and species, in order to assuage the feelings of males who aren't even participating in this thread.

If you object to the term transgender identified males, then feel free to propose a different term that does NOT include the word "woman" in it.

 

[Emily's Cat]

I think US Representative Sarah McBride seems to fit more naturally in a women's restroom more than the men's.

Uh huh. McBride's penis totally fits more naturally in the room that has historically excluded penises. Makes perfect sense.

 

[Emily's Cat]

Wouldn't the difference be between two distinct psychological states:

1) sexual arousal at the thought of oneself as a woman (i.e. AGP)

2) gender euphoria which makes someone feel great about themselves without feelings of arousal

You should maybe look into how transgender identified males describe "gender euphoria" before you assert that it doesn't include feelings of arousal. Based on what they have written about their own experiences, it's almost always accompanied by an erection.

 

[Emily's Cat]

Previously you linked me to a thing that was about doping athletes and mentioned Heidi Krieger now Andreas Krieger and after reading about them I said a thing

I would just highlight it, but Emily's Cat told me off about highlighting so i'll underline it instead
What's your opinion about my underlined opinion?

Using the highlighter function seems to work okay, please feel free. I merely requested that if you're going to change the color of the font itself, something other than yellow would be easier to read for those of us not using dark mode.

 

[Emily's Cat]

That may be part of it, but probably not all of it. The thing is, testosterone (and synthetic hormones) don't just produce physiological changes. They also produce behavioral changes. When you put women on testosterone, they don't just start looking more male, they start acting more male too. There's a fair amount of "gender role" stuff which is arbitrary, but a good chunk of it isn't. A good chunk of it is biology based. So if your behavior fits with male patterns because of brain changes caused by doping, that's not just society getting into your brain. That's the drugs getting into your brain.

Testosterone is a steroid, and those with high amounts in their systems exhibit the same increased aggression that comes with other steroids.
Estrogen increases emotional lability, and those with high amounts in their system are more prone to crying and mood swings.

 

[Emily's Cat]

"Every lack of a downside is an upside" source for the quote... me.

Avoided costs are not profits. Often they're nothing more than a smaller loss.

Same concept as "lesser evil" - it's still an evil.

 

[Rolfe]

Testosterone is a steroid, and those with high amounts in their systems exhibit the same increased aggression that comes with other steroids.
Estrogen increases emotional lability, and those with high amounts in their system are more prone to crying and mood swings.

Maybe that's why the six-foot-plus doctor bloke was sobbing - sobbing I tell you - when he told his (female) superior about being challenged by Sandie Peggie in the women's changing room. She had to walk him to his car, to safeguard him against this tiny 50-year-old nurse.

By the way, this is your regular public service announcement that the word "criteria" is plural. The singular form is "criterion". What do they teach them at these schools?

 

[smartcooky]

Maybe that's why the six-foot-plus doctor bloke was sobbing - sobbing I tell you - when he told his (female) superior about being challenged by Sandie Peggie in the women's changing room. She had to walk him to his car, to safeguard him against this tiny 50-year-old nurse.

By the way, this is your regular public service announcement that the word "criteria" is plural. The singular form is "criterion". What do they teach them at these schools?

Oh, the poor little 6ft 2in 200lb doodums-doll, must be protected from the evil, nasty 5ft 5in 96lb nurse

 

[d4m10n]

You should maybe look into how transgender identified males describe "gender euphoria" before you assert that it doesn't include feelings of arousal.

It doesn't have to include feelings of arousal, obviously, and it is not typically defined so as to include it.

Based on what they have written about their own experiences, it's almost always accompanied by an erection.

Seriously, where are you reading this stuff?

 

[Trausti]

Peripheral Precocious Puberty due to Exogenous Estradiol in a 3-Year-Old Girl: A Case Report

Introduction: Transdermal estrogen replacement therapy in girls with hypogonadism is well known for induction of the puberty. Sexual development due to exogenous exposure for sex steroids in food, environment or medication is known, but is rare and sparsely reported. We present a case of peripheral precocious puberty in a 3-year-old girl due to inadvertent exposure to an estradiol gel used by her father as gender affirming hormone therapy (GAHT).