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In any case, people in the position of being unauthorized residents of a country have bigger problems than the politeness of the term used for them.
 
W.D.Clinger said:
There is nothing at all wrong with referring to the Gulf of Mexico as the Gulf of Mexico,
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I never said there was. But that wasn't really the question.
W.D.Clinger said:
I find it interesting that someone who insists "illegal alien" is "the correct legal term" is equally wrong about the legal status of names that refer to the Gulf of Mexico or portions thereof.
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I find it interesting that you need to stay man me.
 
Helen said:
I get that no one really likes him, but I still think it is unfair to call him Homan. Sure, hes not really Human, obviously, but will bullying him lika that really help?
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I think you're supposed to pronounce it as 'Hoe-man' in one long, drawn out breath as you shake your head in despair and face palm Picard style.
 
Hercules56 said:
No, the proper terminology for them is the most important issue of the day.

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I think euphemisms are distractions and generally unhelpful, as well as often cowardly evasions used as substitutes for actually addressing the problem. As sceptics, we should be the last people to play along with that game.
 
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Ron Obvious said:
I think euphemisms are distractions and generally unhelpful, as well as often cowardly evasions used as substitutes for actually addressing the problem. As sceptics, we should be the last people to play along with that game.
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To be fair, there's absolutely a point to be made that a term can be needlessly stigmatizing, too. Do I have a better term myself, though? Not really, but maybe 'illegally residing'? Sounds less, well, alienating than what they're called now.
 
Safe-Keeper said:
To be fair, there's absolutely a point to be made that a term can be needlessly stigmatizing, too. Do I have a better term myself, though? Not really, but maybe 'illegally residing'? Sounds less, well, alienating than what they're called now.
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Yes, and we can significantly reduce crime statistics by referring to burglars and home-invaders as uninvited guests, right? It will make us all feel better about being burgled, surely?

I think that's currently still a step too far for most people here, but it's not in essence any different to referring to "illegal aliens" as "undocumented immigrants". As I said, I'm a legal resident alien in the USA, and don't feel remotely stigmatised by being called an alien.

Solutions, not euphemisms, is what's helpful.
 
Ron Obvious said:
Yes, and we can significantly reduce crime statistics by referring to burglars and home-invaders as uninvited guests, right? It will make us all feel better about being burgled, surely?
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I never said anything remotely close to that, so I don't know what brought that on, do you?

Ron Obvious said:
I think that's currently still a step too far for most people here, but it's not in essence any different to referring to "illegal aliens" as "undocumented immigrants". As I said, I'm a legal resident alien in the USA, and don't feel remotely stigmatised by being called an alien.
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I've legally resided in the US too. There's a small difference between being there legally and being one of the people who snuck in or overstayed their Visa and who has been named an Undesirable and a threat to the Reich's very existence by the regime.

Ron Obvious said:
Solutions, not euphemisms, is what's helpful.
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I didn't know the two were mutually exclusive.
 
Safe-Keeper said:
I've legally resided in the US too. There's a small difference between being there legally and being one of the people who snuck in or overstayed their Visa and who has been named an Undesirable and a threat to the Reich's very existence by the regime.
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I see you're not interested in an honest discussion.
 
Ziggurat said:
The term is not stigmatizing. Their actual status is.

You know the term "retard"? It's considered stigmatizing too. But did you know that it was introduced specifically to be a non-stigmatizing replacement for prior terms which were considered stigmatizing? Obviously it didn't work. Why? Because it's not the term itself that makes something stigmatizing or not, it's people's opinion of what the term describes. We're seeing the same thing with the attempt to replace "homeless" with "unhoused", as if it will change anything. It will not.
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I’ve never heard the term “unhoused.” Is your dial maybe not set to the right frequency?
 
Regnad Kcin said:
I’ve never heard the term “unhoused.” Is your dial maybe not set to the right frequency?
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I heard it used in the excellent film Leave No Trace, but that was also the only time.
To answer the question, though, yes, I think refraining from using a term that's grown to be stigmatizing and hurtful makes a difference. If we didn't really belive that we'd still be calling challenged people r-ards and black people the n-word.
 
Safe-Keeper said:
I heard it used in the excellent film Leave No Trace, but that was also the only time.
To answer the question, though, yes, I think refraining from using a term that's grown to be stigmatizing and hurtful makes a difference. If we didn't really belive that we'd still be calling challenged people r-ards and black people the n-word.
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"Retard" was a term introduced specifically to avoid stigmatizing people. It didn't work. None of the euphemisms work. Because it's not the term itself which carries the stigma.
 
Ziggurat said:
"Retard" was a term introduced specifically to avoid stigmatizing people. It didn't work. None of the euphemisms work. Because it's not the term itself which carries the stigma.
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True. What we need to do is remove the stigma associated with the condition. Humans being humans, however...
 
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