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Ed Israel/US Attacks Iran /Yet Another Country/Iran

Donald says everyone should evacuate Tehran!

Donald J. Trump
@realDonald Trump
Iran should have signed the “deal” I told them to sign. What a shame, and waste of human life. Simply stated, IRAN CAN NOT HAVE A NUCLEAR
WEAPON. I said it over and over again! Everyone should immediately evacuate Tehran!
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The Great Zaganza said:
this has everything to do with Trump - and Biden.

Now we hear that Trump had the Final Say on who got to be on Israel's hitlist of Iranian, which means that he could just has said: None.

From the Start, Israel has depended on the US to reign it in, and the US has done nothing but giving it more rope to hang itself through Mission Creep.
a True Friend of Israel would have told it to stop and negotiate long ago.
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How Trump went from opposing Israel's strikes on Iran to reluctant support
“I don’t want them going in, because I think it would blow it — might help it actually, but it also could blow it, but we’ve had very good discussions with Iran,” Trump told reporters at a bill signing ceremony. “I prefer the more friendly path.”...

For months, the Trump administration has pressed the Israelis not to carry out strikes on Iran and warned that the United States wouldn’t support them if they did.

By the end of last week, the White House’s public tone started to include more support for Israel, and in private it shifted from strong opposition against a widespread military operation to acceptance that it was likely to happen and less resistance to it.

Behind the scenes, the Israelis had already laid much of the groundwork for Trump’s measured change. Trump had hoped Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu could be persuaded not to mount an attack. But over the past week, he came to accept that Israel was determined to neutralize Iran’s nuclear capabilities and that the United States would have to lend some military support for defensive purposes, as well as some intelligence support...
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Israel was going to do it anyway, despite the US saying it wouldn't help them. And they would too. The US doesn't have as much influence as people think. Even if Trump threatened to revoke all military and other aid, they would still do it. Because they are Israel.

Yes, Trump managed to convince Israel not to assassinate Iran’s supreme leader, but only because they sought his approval.
After the start of their military campaign, the Israelis collected intelligence that could have allowed them to target and kill Iran’s supreme leader, Ayatollah Ali Khamenei. Netanyahu presented the operation to Trump, who opposed the plan altogether and wouldn’t allow the United States to participate, according to two U.S. officials. No Americans had been killed in the conflict, so Trump didn’t believe it would be appropriate to remove Khamenei, the political leader, and recommended against the Israelis’ conducting the operation
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Trump was able to put his foot down where he could. You might say he didn't do enough, but Trump's a negotiator not a tough guy. We don't know that being a tough guy would have helped the situation either. It would probably just get the US offside with Israel and make them even more determined to do whatever they wanted. By being 'friendly', Trump was able to get an important concession.

On Sunday, he appeared to advocate again for talks over strikes, saying on his social media platform, Truth Social: “Iran and Israel should make a deal, and will make a deal, just like I got India and Pakistan to make. ... Many calls and meetings now taking place. I do a lot, and never get credit for anything...
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The problem with hyper-partisanship is that people can't give credit where it's due. Trump is bad in many ways, but in this case he is right to prefer diplomacy over war. To the extent that he achieves that (or even attempts it) he is doing good. Your insistence that Trump could have been tougher on Israel and therefore has 'everything to do with it' is off-base. He's not a warhawk like Biden, who steadfastly supported Israel no matter what. And he's learning, possibly enough to eventually be an effective negotiator. He might even get credit it for it from those whose sight isn't completely blinkered.
 
Roger Ramjets said:
How Trump went from opposing Israel's strikes on Iran to reluctant support

Israel was going to do it anyway, despite the US saying it wouldn't help them. And they would too. The US doesn't have as much influence as people think. Even if Trump threatened to revoke all military and other aid, they would still do it. Because they are Israel.

Yes, Trump managed to convince Israel not to assassinate Iran’s supreme leader, but only because they sought his approval.

Trump was able to put his foot down where he could. You might say he didn't do enough, but Trump's a negotiator not a tough guy. We don't know that being a tough guy would have helped the situation either. It would probably just get the US offside with Israel and make them even more determined to do whatever they wanted. By being 'friendly', Trump was able to get an important concession.


The problem with hyper-partisanship is that people can't give credit where it's due. Trump is bad in many ways, but in this case he is right to prefer diplomacy over war. To the extent that he achieves that (or even attempts it) he is doing good. Your insistence that Trump could have been tougher on Israel and therefore has 'everything to do with it' is off-base. He's not a warhawk like Biden, who steadfastly supported Israel no matter what. And he's learning, possibly enough to eventually be an effective negotiator. He might even get credit it for it from those whose sight isn't completely blinkered.
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Trump is in his seventies. The kind of man he would become was decided decades ago. If he's not already a successful negotiator, he never will be.
 
Hercules56 said:
No, the immoral terrorist blockade on Gaza started the war.
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The blockade that started when Gazans elected Iranian-sponsored terrorist Hamas to run their town?

◊◊◊◊, if your neighbors voted in a terrorist organization to run their HOA, you'd do everything you could to cut them off from their source.
 
Trump has urged everyone to get out of Tehran. I fear this means Israel is threatening to nuke the city.
 
Hercules56 said:
Terrorism? Israel calls spitting at an IDFascist officer on a bus "terrorism".
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Are you saying that Hezbollah, Hamas and the PIJ are not terrorist organisations? Are you also saying that what these groups are doing is equivalent to spitting at someone?
When you've had a go at answering that, perhaps you could address my original question, which was about why you think Iran needed to sponsor these groups in the first place.
Or stay with the tu quoque. Up to you.
 
Cosmic Yak said:
Are you saying that Hezbollah, Hamas and the PIJ are not terrorist organisations? Are you also saying that what these groups are doing is equivalent to spitting at someone?
When you've had a go at answering that, perhaps you could address my original question, which was about why you think Iran needed to sponsor these groups in the first place.
Or stay with the tu quoque. Up to you.
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The IDF is also a terrorist organization, they have committed MANY acts of terrorism.

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IDFascists
 
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