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Ed Applying luma curve to photos and footage

Implications.

Some quick ones. There could be others.

1.Footage is manipulated.
2.Footage is real and manipulated after to cause confusion or other reasons.
3. Nt1 is an idiot

All i can say is I am not here on day two, waving a picture around, and i was confident enough to ask for someone to pick a card any card. (Choose any footage)
Why would it be manipulated?
What confusion do you think it would cause?

You do know there were lots of actual eyewitnesses to the buildings collapsing.

IS this why you wanted us to give you a piece of video so that you could wobble your gamma curve around and show it is manipulated?


Is all the video from 9/11 manipulated?
 
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Anyone here know what this thread is actually about? Is there a point attempting to be made that warrants discussion?
I will try. I think nt1's claim is that pretty much all of the videos of 9/11 that he can find show signs of having been tampered with. "Masking lines" and "Alpha Channel Halo". As I understand it, that suggests some wide spread conspiracy around the events. If true I suppose it would. I honestly have no way to tell if this true in anyway. He clearly knows a lot more about electronic video manipulation than I do. This would be a conversation for someone like captain disillusion, not me.

@nt1 I have my doubts. If I understand you correctly, it would mean that all of the videos of planes crashing into the WTC are fake. I could be wrong about what you are claiming but that is what I understand. This would require an immense conspiracy that would necessarily include hundreds of thousands of witnesses in NY on the day. Or some massive illusion? Seems unlikely. But then I have to admit my complete ignorance of the technology you are discussing. I think you do overrate the Laymans' understanding of it.

ETA: Probably would have gone quicker and more smoothly if you had stated that you think the footage is all manipulated. I was thinking it was something more physical. Like maybe you would explain how what was happening in the video was clearly planned demo.
 
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Fixed it for you.
That's an old joke funny only to me. I had a teacher once that no matter how difficult to understand a concept he would always say, "It should be obvious to the most casual of observers!" I only use that line when I know its exactly the opposite.
 
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I will try. I think nt1's claim is that pretty much all of the videos of 9/11 that he can find show signs of having been tampered with. "Masking lines" and "Alpha Channel Halo". As I understand it, that suggests some wide spread conspiracy around the events. If true I suppose it would. I honestly have no way to tell if this true in anyway. He clearly knows a lot more about electronic video manipulation than I do. This would be a conversation for someone like captain disillusion, not me.

@nt1 I have my doubts. If I understand you correctly, it would mean that all of the videos of planes crashing into the WTC are fake. I could be wrong about what you are claiming but that is what I understand. This would require an immense conspiracy that would necessarily include hundreds of thousands of witnesses in NY on the day. Or some massive illusion? Seems unlikely. But then I have to admit my complete ignorance of the technology you are discussing. I think you do overrate the Laymans' understanding of it.
I have doubts too. I spend everyday fact checking and learning and rethinking.

I can tell you that there are small anomalies that cant be explained by old equipment. Things that light cannot do when adjusted.

I dont have it all figured out. I enjoyed the firing squad today and to be honest, it wasnt worth it in the end. Enjoy your day.
 

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I have doubts too. I spend everyday fact checking and learning and rethinking.

I can tell you that there are small anomalies that cant be explained by old equipment. Things that light cannot do when adjusted.

I dont have it all figured out. I enjoyed the firing squad today and to be honest, it wasnt worth it in the end. Enjoy your day.
For what its worth, these pictures are a perfect example of issue. I know they are pictures, from context I assume they are frames from videos of 9/11, I can also tell the colors have been manipulated. That's I really know. I can guess that in one you can see the white line around one of the people and I assume this is what you mean by alpha channel halo? I really have no idea if that means what you think it means because this is the first time I've heard or read the phrase.

ETA: the cryptic start to these conversations didn't help. Pic a card any card, only nobody had any cards.
 
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Can you be a bit more specific? What settings of gamma, contrast or brightness did you use to reveal a masking line down the left side of the building?

I don't expect you to provide one setting which makes a line pop out visibly around the entire building but you did claim the line was continuous so it seems not unreasonable to ask what settings you found you needed to use to reveal the line continues down the left side.

Can you do that?
Jack. I ran out of energy for a little bit. Thank you for your questions and thanks for asking me to show how to adjust the sliders. Ill show what i learned.

I will reply back.
 
That's a bit unfair, this is more complicated than just pareidolia. Anomaly hunting to be sure, put not seeing patterns in randomness.
Let's grant that he's 100% correct, that weird lines show up (without talking about obvious reasons they might show up if you adjust the colors). What does this prove? I mean, I get that he's trying to do the hootchie koo here--showing just enough to keep folks interested, but I fail to see how this is any more significant than Killtown's numbers (he also did faces at one point IIRC) in the smoke.
 
One step at a time, I think. Let's first establish that we are not simply having our chains yanked. It's not at all obvious to me that any enhancement will reveal a continuous border around the building when it's entirely invisible on the left side.
 
That's a bit unfair, this is more complicated than just pareidolia. Anomaly hunting to be sure, put not seeing patterns in randomness.
 

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@nt1, brah, the posting screenshots thing is a little confusing. It seems you're posting something involving Chat GBT but the context is broken on this end. I'm sure it makes sense to you, knowing what is intended, but it is looking hella random on this end.

Eta: or more simply, what is the Chat prompt that it is writing for you with? Are you asking it to come up with an argument based on a preconceived assumption? Having an AI argue for you by proxy is considered very bad form.
 
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Implications.

Some quick ones. There could be others.

1.Footage is manipulated.
2.Footage is real and manipulated after to cause confusion or other reasons.
3. Nt1 is an idiot

All i can say is I am not here on day two, waving a picture around, and i was confident enough to ask for someone to pick a card any card. (Choose any footage)
So what's your claim? People who physically present at the collapse saw something different than what is seen in the video?

What do you think they saw?
 
I will try. I think nt1's claim is that pretty much all of the videos of 9/11 that he can find show signs of having been tampered with. "Masking lines" and "Alpha Channel Halo". As I understand it, that suggests some wide spread conspiracy around the events. If true I suppose it would. I honestly have no way to tell if this true in anyway. He clearly knows a lot more about electronic video manipulation than I do. This would be a conversation for someone like captain disillusion, not me.

@nt1 I have my doubts. If I understand you correctly, it would mean that all of the videos of planes crashing into the WTC are fake. I could be wrong about what you are claiming but that is what I understand. This would require an immense conspiracy that would necessarily include hundreds of thousands of witnesses in NY on the day. Or some massive illusion? Seems unlikely. But then I have to admit my complete ignorance of the technology you are discussing. I think you do overrate the Laymans' understanding of it.

ETA: Probably would have gone quicker and more smoothly if you had stated that you think the footage is all manipulated. I was thinking it was something more physical. Like maybe you would explain how what was happening in the video was clearly planned demo.
Well the building is either collapsed or still standing. I tend to think collapsed, and manipulated video doesn't change that. Is the idea that literally all videos of the collapse have been tampered with and no raw footage is available any longer? If so, the official conspiracy to hide what "actually happened" is so thorough that releasing video that contains signs of tampering must have been done on purpose by the conspirators to give internet sleuths something to focus on that distracts them from the real "truth". "plans within plans within plans", to borrow a phrase from Dune.
 
Instead of pasting screenshots of how justified you would be to call us unscientific if we simply dismissed your claim, how about addressing the reality which is quite the reverse?

Taking a leaf out of the Royal Society's book, not to take anyone's word for it, I want you to show us how you enhanced those screenshots to reveal a border around the building, so that any of us can do the same. Repeatability is what this experiment needs.
 

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That is a poor question in a forum that demands science. To be unbiased. Pick a card. Any card. Geeeeeez
Actually, a person who asks their audience to pick a card usually intends to play tricks on them, pretending it's magic.

I am still waiting for you to explain the point of the videos you posted in reply.
 

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