Transwomen are not Women - Part 15

Rolfe said:
We make rules and laws to restrain the worst behaviours. That's kind of the point.

And I wish you wouldn't rewrite history so much. Before you realised just how wrong you had been, your initial reaction was to dig for any "dirt" you could find about Sister Salon (insultingly calling them "Sista") and take the fact that Brighton Pride (hardly an unbiassed source in this matter) had denied them a presence at the Pride parade as evidence that they were "a vocal anti-trans group", which you then embellished by calling them Nazis. Precisely as justification for the fire alarm being set off. Own it.
Click to expand...
Honestly, no, I didn't mean it that way. I meant it exactly as I said, that pulling a fire alarm wasn't a juicy cherry, it was just a jerk thing to do.

At no point did I "decide it was justified", as you claimed. It was always a jerk thing to do, just relatively petty in the grand scheme of things, and not indicative of anything extreme, as you keep posting about. Like your tomato sauce. Remember that one? What you snip.out or don't address in a post speaks volumes.

And "Sistas" is insulting? Really? You don't suppose you might be trying to hard to read into things, do you?
 
Thermal said:
It was petty vandalism,
Click to expand...
No, dude. It's not just a bit of rude graffiti in the park. Pulling a fire alarm disrupts the victim's event. It disrupts everyone. It evacuates the building. The fire department has to come and make sure there's no fire, and then reset the alarm. This costs time and money to a lot of people. It makes the community less safe, since the fire department is now responding to a false alarm.

This wasn't a harmless prank. It was an act of malicious harassment.
Thermal said:
and you are lying to say I dismiss the victims. It was the kind of petty vandalism you would see in any protest.
Click to expand...
No. Not at any protest. Only at a certain kind of protest, involving a certain kind of anti-social scumbag who tries to excuse his malicious harassment by pretending his victims are "nazis".

Thermal said:
The activist was showing pretty run-of-the mill protest disruption,
Click to expand...
ETA: I can't believe I missed this earlier. You're really missing the mark, trying to make this guy seem more sympathetic.

I despise "protest disruption". I think vandalizing the commons is toxic and anti-social. I think it is never justified by the righteousness or nobility of whatever protest you're lodging. The people who indulge in this kind of nonsense disgust me. The people that try to normalize it likewise. Few things are likely to drain away all my respect for you, and all my support for your cause, than you vandalizing the commons.

Run of the mill protest disruption my ass. Congratulations on moving this guy from my "example of bad behavior" column to my "kindly go die in a dumpster fire, you garbage person" column.

Thermal said:
and it hardly rises to the level of pervy horror.
Click to expand...
Strawman. Nobody is saying it was an act of pervy horror. I'm saying it's an act of malicious harassment that should not be minimized as "just a prank, bro."

Thermal said:
And as I said, he should have been arrested, and not 'de-arrested'. But if that's what you have to scrape to for demonizing the dangerous pervs, you seem to be running out of credible ammo fast.
Click to expand...
Hopefully this kind of thing is on the downturn.
 
Last edited:
Thermal said:
Honestly, no, I didn't mean it that way. I meant it exactly as I said, that pulling a fire alarm wasn't a juicy cherry, it was just a jerk thing to do.

At no point did I "decide it was justified", as you claimed. It was always a jerk thing to do, just relatively petty in the grand scheme of things, and not indicative of anything extreme, as you keep posting about. Like your tomato sauce. Remember that one? What you snip.out or don't address in a post speaks volumes.

And "Sistas" is insulting? Really? You don't suppose you might be trying to hard to read into things, do you?
Click to expand...

May I remind you what a "juicy cherry" is in this debate, as coined by Mycroft? It is a single example or group of examples of obnoxious behaviour by trans-identifying men which will be dismissed as "cherry-picking" and not representative of the mass of lovely harmless trans people who really are out there somewhere, trust us. Just like the tomato sauce one is being dismissed.

You absolutely did begin by declaring that setting off the fire alarm was justified.

Thermal said:
Agreed. If you disrupt a nazi meeting, run by nazis, do you expect to be the bad guy? There is a concept of legit protesting disruption.
Click to expand...

Thermal said:
Someone whose meeting a protestor feels justified in disrupting. "Nazi" makes it relatable, if hyperbolic. Come on, man.

Eta: the group was not a random group of women. It was a vocally anti-trans group, meeting for whatever specific purpose.
Click to expand...

And yes, "Sistas" is belittling and insulting in this context. The group is called "Sisters Salon".

I repeat, rules and laws are made to address bad behaviour, not good. We don't omit to pass laws against antisocial behaviour simply on the basis that the majority of the population doesn't behave like that anyway. It is important to highlight the bad behaviour to concentrate on why we need the means of curbing it.
 
Rolfe said:
May I remind you what a "juicy cherry" is in this debate, as coined by Mycroft? It is a single example or group of examples of obnoxious behaviour by trans-identifying men which will be dismissed as "cherry-picking" and not representative of the mass of lovely harmless trans people who really are out there somewhere, trust us. Just like the tomato sauce one is being dismissed.

You absolutely did begin by declaring that setting off the fire alarm was justified.





And yes, "Sistas" is belittling and insulting in this context. The group is called "Sisters Salon".

I repeat, rules and laws are made to address bad behaviour, not good. We don't omit to pass laws against antisocial behaviour simply on the basis that the majority of the population doesn't behave like that anyway. It is important to highlight the bad behaviour to concentrate on why we need the means of curbing it.
Click to expand...
Finding out that when people lie about what they said, others can go back, check and call out the lie.
 
Rolfe said:
May I remind you what a "juicy cherry" is in this debate, as coined by Mycroft? It is a single example or group of examples of obnoxious behaviour by trans-identifying men which will be dismissed as "cherry-picking" and not representative of the mass of lovely harmless trans people who really are out there somewhere, trust us. Just like the tomato sauce one is being dismissed.

You absolutely did begin by declaring that setting off the fire alarm was justified.
Click to expand...
No, I didn't, but I'll cop to unclear wording. Do you see the 'agreed' as the first word, which doesn't make sense with your interpretation? That's because I was replying to Myriad who was saying that the activist was denying Constitutional rights to assembly. What I was trying to say was that if you believe you have a legitimate moral right to disrupt, it trumps the right of others to assemble peacefully.

But yeah, I can see how that was not clear enough, my bad.
Rolfe said:
And yes, "Sistas" is belittling and insulting in this context. The group is called "Sisters Salon".
Click to expand...
Pretty rich coming from a poster who calls transwomen 'cross dressing pervs' and 'freaks in a boob tube' and the rest of your equally charming nomenclature.
 
Not sure if this has been posted before- apologies if it has.
Thermal, you say that there has been no discernable rise in assaults against women in New Jersey as a result of allowing self-ID for gender. This is not true.
A formerly incarcerated woman is suing over New Jersey’s transgender policy in prisons, claiming she was sexually assaulted by a transgender inmate.
The lawsuit shines a spotlight on the correctional system’s controversial transgender policy, which was first enacted in 2021 as part of a court-ordered settlement resulting from a transgender inmate’s civil rights lawsuit. Under that policy, the state Department of Corrections agreed to house incarcerated people based on their gender identity.

Before long, the number of people applying to transfer to Edna Mahan skyrocketed, and that jump in transfers helped fuel a spike in assaults there, said Bonnie Kerness, who heads the American Friends Service Committee’s prison watch program and serves on Edna Mahan’s board of trustees.

Prior to the settlement, there were maybe 15 requests for transfers to Edna Mahan, versus 250 after.
Click to expand...
 
Cosmic Yak said:
Not sure if this has been posted before- apologies if it has.
Thermal, you say that there has been no discernable rise in assaults against women in New Jersey as a result of allowing self-ID for gender.
This is not true.
Click to expand...

Shocked-Casablanca.jpg
 
Thermal said:
Pretty rich coming from a poster who calls transwomen 'cross dressing pervs' and 'freaks in a boob tube' and the rest of your equally charming nomenclature.
Click to expand...

Please stop lying about me. I have never used the phrases you attribute to me, here or elsewhere.
 
Rolfe said:
Please stop lying about me. I have never used the phrases you attribute to me, here or elsewhere
Click to expand...
Liar. I suppose you were relying on Search being down?
Rolfe said:
You just want any man at all to be able to walk into the women's facilities, then?

Honestly, we'd be better off going into the men's I think. At least the men in there tend to be normal, not cross-dressing perverts.
Click to expand...
With that, I'm out. I'm sure you will come up with some retrofit "oh I was doing something else", but I'm not interested in the retrofit justifications.
 
Last edited:
Cosmic Yak said:
Not sure if this has been posted before- apologies if it has.
Thermal, you say that there has been no discernable rise in assaults against women in New Jersey as a result of allowing self-ID for gender. This is not true.

Click to expand...
It has been repeatedly acknowledged that prisons are a different story, and the volume of suddenly 'transwoman' inmates requesting to be in the women's prison increased exponentially, which seems to indicate imposters gaining access to new victims. Not exactly the gotcha you think it is.

ETA: i mean jesus christ dude, your own citation says that upon adoption of the policy, transfer requests suddenly went from 15 to 250. You think all those prisoners abruptly 'discovered who they really were' spontaneously overnight?

And no, I didn't say "as a result of allowing selfID for gender". You are rewording to make your half assed gotcha work. Join Rolfe and the cooky in the low integrity corner if you are going to argue like that.
 
Last edited:
Thermal said:
Liar. I suppose you were relying on Search being down?

With that, I'm out. I'm sure you will come up with some retrofit "oh I was doing something else", but I'm not interested in the retrofit justifications.
Click to expand...

OK, some hyperbole there. Now how about that other phrase?
 
Aber said:
What is the difference, if any, in transgender rights between your state and California?
Click to expand...
Don't know, don't care. And the insights I've gained into some of my fellow forumites is making me feel sick here. Gotta bounce for a mental health break.
 
Thermal said:
That's a cowardly way of acknowledging you were cold busted lying, but I guess experience has shown me that no more can be expected.

And you seriously expect to send me on more busy work for you with Search down? You're just unbelievable.
Click to expand...

You changed the quote in a way that led to my not recognising it. The other one doesn't exist. Never said it. You made it up.
 
Rolfe said:
You changed the quote in a way that led to my not recognising it.
Click to expand...
Oh, the difference between pervs and perverts just befuddled you beyond all recognition and memory function, huh? Yeah that's believable.

But fear not: there are a solid half dozen posters here who will backslap you and overlook your words and your lying about their usage. Mark my words: not one single poster will say "hey Rolfe, wtf? You lied, Thermal called you on it with receipts, and you are making cheap excuses". Not one.
Rolfe said:
The other one doesn't exist. Never said it. You made it up.
Click to expand...
IIRc, and it's going back a while, you 'LOLed' one of your bigoted tweeters using the phrase. People who don't share that view wouldn't have found that funny. Support is support, even if only cheering the use.
 
You didn't even spot that I was echoing your own excuse of "hyperbole" which, predictably, seems to be OK when you do it but not OK when someone else does it.

I did not use the phrase "freaks in a boob tube", ever. For the simple reason that the word "boob-tube" is not in my vocabulary. I am also not in the habit of using the word "freak". So basically, stop lying about me.

There is a wider point here though. If I use disparaging language, it is because I think poorly of the object of that language. You may have possibly guessed, I am not a fan of men who LARP their pornified fantasy of what a woman is and demand that they get to do that in women's single-sex spaces. If I say it, I mean it.

You used disparaging language against this.

1747836319742.png

This is the meeting that was in progress when that vile man set off the fire alarm. You defended this as being understandable because this was "a nazi meeting, run by nazis" (I don't even correct your capitalisation for fear of you disowning the quote), and "a vocally anti-trans group, meeting for whatever specific purpose." You took sneering exception to the statement that "People registered male at birth (regardless of gender identity), are excluded from our organising committee, our Salons and some of our events," despite paying lip service to the principle of freedom of association and declaring that you do not oppose women having the right to hold meetings without men being present.

Your posts drip with contempt and hatred for this group, who were doing nothing but running an NHS-sponsored "women's health hub". My conclusion is that your opinion of this group is on the same level as my opnion of the "cross-dressing pervs" who want to gate-crash it.
 
Last edited:
You must log in or register to reply here.

Back
Top Bottom