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Transwomen are not Women - Part 15

More luscious cherries.

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It's never going to be possible to declare that x per cent of trans-identified men are porn-addled exhibitionists, so it's always going to be cherries. But, going out on a limb, I don't think the proportion is insignificant.

If I simply met these guys in the street I'd smirk and walk on. But giving them permission to be in a changing room with me? No thanks. Mr Fringe Top was seen by eyewitnesses going into the Ladies toilets at Waterloo station.
 
Anyone who thinks people with gender dysphoria should be unconditionally supported and encouraged to transition needs to spend a hour watching this. Its an interview with Dr Az Hakkeem by Andrew Gold. Dr. Hakeem is one of Britain's leading psychiatrists treating and dealing with gender dysphoria. He is on the TRA top ten kill-list.

In this video, he explains the differences between transsexuals, transvestites and autogynephiles, and how they become they way they are. Its not for the faint-hearted - 26% of his clients are de-transitioners and he tells some heart-breaking stories from his file (no names of course).

There will, of course, be those here who won't watch because they won't want their cult ideology disturbed.

 
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Thermal said:
If you seek out freaky people to mock and ridicule, you will surely find them.
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I don’t have to seek out protesters. They’re pushing their presence onto others. That’s how protesting works.
Thermal said:
If you want to try out being normal, consider Rep Sarah McBride.
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Yes, McBride is pretty normal. But the existence of normal doesn’t make the freaks go away. You can argue that the freaks aren’t representative of the whole, and that may be true, but they are still there. They hold themselves out as being representative, and the normal ones like McBride don’t push back. The normal ones like McBride aren’t telling them to knock that ◊◊◊◊ off.
 
Ziggurat said:
I don’t have to seek out protesters. They’re pushing their presence onto others. That’s how protesting works.

Yes, McBride is pretty normal. But the existence of normal doesn’t make the freaks go away. You can argue that the freaks aren’t representative of the whole, and that may be true, but they are still there. They hold themselves out as being representative, and the normal ones like McBride don’t push back. The normal ones like McBride aren’t telling them to knock that ◊◊◊◊ off.
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The normal ones like McBride aren't holding up placards calling for JK Rowling to be hanged.
The normal ones like McBride aren't threatening to urinate in public.
 
Courtesty of Spiked!

Since the UK Supreme Court ruled on the definition of ‘woman’ in the Equality Act, there has been a firestorm of clashing emotions. Furious trans activists and their devout allies have been doing their best to snuff out the righteous jubilation of women’s rights campaigners.

In Scotland, it’s even more intense. On the one hand, it is a great source of pride that it was a Scottish grassroots organisation – For Women Scotland – that played such a vital role in securing the landmark ruling. On the other hand, it was the Scottish government that rendered the court case necessary, by steadfastly committing itself to erasing women as a sex class in law.
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The SNP still doesn’t know what a woman is
 
smartcooky said:
The normal ones like McBride aren't holding up placards calling for JK Rowling to be hanged.
The normal ones like McBride aren't threatening to urinate in public.
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The normal ones like McBride are nevertheless insisting on their right to go into women's single-sex spaces, despite both being and looking male.
 
Graham2001 said:
Courtesty of Spiked!

The SNP still doesn’t know what a woman is
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It's a paradox I've been musing on. If the SNP hadn't said the quiet part out loud in that "Representation on public boards" niche legislation, it would have been much harder to get this resolved. The fact that that legislation was actually passed gave FWS a really solid target to go after, having already been motivated to become very clued-up on the issue by all the heat and light surrounding the GRA.
 
angrysoba said:
Kenan Malick is always worth reading, IMHO, and I doubt his article would have been any different even under the previous ownership.
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I suspect you're right. I saw quite a lot of people on Twitter criticising the article, but that was probably because he was genuinely balanced.
 
Rolfe said:
The normal ones like McBride are nevertheless insisting on their right to go into women's single-sex spaces, despite both being and looking male.
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And this was despite the fact that, in addition to single-sex spaces, there are also unisex cubicles all over the Capitol, and every Representative has an office with their own private facilities attached. Nothing less than access to anything and everything reserved solely for women will do, no matter how many reasonable alternatives are provided, because nothing less will give them (even the 'normal' ones) the validation they crave.
 
Thermal said:
Are you familiar with the photographed transwoman? She's autistic, and so is her equally colorful partner. And I guess you didn't notice, but those were not public pics; they were very much taken in the privacy of their home.
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The pictures were taken in privacy. But they aren't private pictures now. They are publicly available pictures. Who made those pictures publicly available? Was that the result of a hack, or did they release the pictures themselves? If they made the pictures publicly available themselves (which seems probable, but feel free to correct me if it's not), then they are public pictures.
Thermal said:
Certainly mocking and ridiculing autistics is a new low for y'all. "Oh, we didn't know" is not an excuse, either, considering the 10-15 seconds it took for me to run the image search. Do you generally mock the 'tards with the same nasty malice that you mock the trannys?
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What exactly do you think the relevance of them being autistic is? Does that insulate them from criticism? That would be strangely ableist. You criticize posters for not knowing, but you haven't established why we should even care.

There are a lot of autistic trans people. It's a very common co-morbidity. Common enough that there's reason to suspect that a lot of them are adopting trans identity as a coping mechanism for their autism, not because they're intrinsically trans. Encouraging transition rather than treating their underlying difficulties with autism isn't doing them any favors.
 
Pixel42 said:
And this was despite the fact that, in addition to single-sex spaces, there are also unisex cubicles all over the Capitol, and every Representative has an office with their own private facilities attached. Nothing less than access to anything and everything reserved solely for women will do, no matter how many reasonable alternatives are provided, because nothing less will give them (even the 'normal' ones) the validation they crave.
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From what I've seen, McBride made much less of a fuss about this issue than her political opponents did.
 
I think this is a very succinct way of putting it.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1916831155556360405

I'm still aghast that anyone would even think to advance the case of any male person, no matter how sincere, to have a legal right to insert himself into that space. I'm even more aghast that the probability that the male person is actually motivated by a sexual fetish for participating in women's conversations about rape can be so blithely dismissed.
 
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d4m10n said:
From what I've seen, McBride made much less of a fuss about this issue than [his] political opponents did.
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I don't agree. It was McBride who initiated the fuss by insisting that he should not be barred from any of the women-only spaces, despite the existence of adequate alternative provision. If he had simply kept quiet and carried on not using women-only spaces, there would have been no fuss.
 
Ziggurat said:
The pictures were taken in privacy. But they aren't private pictures now.
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We are not talking about whether the pictures are public. We are talking about our fellow forumites reserving the right to point and laugh and mock and ridicule autistic trans people that they see "in public", when the picture in question was her playing around for the release of the Barbie movie, where she used that dress up pic for making a meme.
Ziggurat said:
What exactly do you think the relevance of them being autistic is? Does that insulate them from criticism?
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Mocking neurodivergent people is generally considered pretty scummy, yes.
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Common enough that there's reason to suspect that a lot of them are adopting trans identity as a coping mechanism for their autism, not because they're intrinsically trans.
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I don't think.this has scientific support beyond the anti trans community, but if you don't mind, this whole "let's mock the 'tards" thing is several notches below my already pretty low bar for what constitutes an appropriate discussion, so imma bounce.
 
smartcooky said:
Anyone who thinks people with gender dysphoria should be unconditionally supported and encouraged to transition needs to spend a hour watching this. Its an interview with Dr Az Hakkeem by Andrew Gold. Dr. Hakeem is one of Britain's leading psychiatrists treating and dealing with gender dysphoria. He is on the TRA top ten kill-list.

In this video, he explains the differences between transsexuals, transvestites and autogynephiles, and how they become they way they are. Its not for the faint-hearted - 26% of his clients are de-transitioners and he tells some heart-breaking stories from his file (no names of course).

There will, of course, be those here who won't watch because they won't want their cult ideology disturbed.

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I think the Twitter thread below (nearly three years old) is very relevant to this video. People who have been performing medical interventions that have been shown to be harmful are unfortunately inclined to double down, because admitting that they have in fact done an enormous amount of harm rather than good is simply too painful for them to contemplate. Their critics must be wrong, and probably motivated by malice to boot.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1523755726598184962

The even older thread linked at the end is an interesting parallel. That obstetric x-rays continued to be performed for 25 years after they'd been shown to be the cause of a rising incidence of childhood leukaemia. (Also interesting that a major cause of this was a paper by Richard Doll, the epidemiologist who later showed that cigarette smoking was the cause of the rising incidence of lung cancer.)

https://twitter.com/x/status/1427969776039694346
 
It occurred to me this morning that we used to have exactly what our moderate TRAs say they'd find acceptable: no men in women's spaces, except for bathrooms, and even then only if they're trying to pass and don't act up.

Fiat self-ID was a generally understood and accepted convention, with clear limits and strict expectations. It was one of the great unwritten rules of our civil society. Trying to codify it as the law of the land is what curdled the milk.
 
theprestige said:
It occurred to me this morning that we used to have exactly what our moderate TRAs say they'd find acceptable: no men in women's spaces, except for bathrooms, and even then only if they're trying to pass and don't act up.

Fiat self-ID was a generally understood and accepted convention, with clear limits and strict expectations. It was one of the great unwritten rules of our civil society. Trying to codify it as the law of the land is what curdled the milk.
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That ship has sailed though. Women who would have gone along with this even ten years ago, won't countenance it now. We've seen what it leads to.
 
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