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Transwomen are not Women - Part 15

Rolfe said:
A man who pretends to be a woman and then wants to provide counselling to female rape victims who have requested a female counsellor is far worse than a weirdo. He's a predator. He should be in jail.
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No hate there.
 
Mycroft said:
No, my argument is she doesn't fit your narrative.
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Your argument is wrong. He is a rapist who now self identifies as a transwoman. He shouldn’t be allowed anywhere near women’s toilets, change rooms, prisons or sports.
 
Rolfe said:
Yes, probably. And if you read my anecdote, you will understand that Betty will be able to emerge accompanied by two or three other women who will stay with her until she has escaped from Bob's proximity.

Why do you want to take this amenity away from us?
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How would a transwoman peeing in a stall take that away from you? Unless Bob is a transwoman, the space still excludes him and allows the group of women to form up and protect Betty from Bob's proximity.
 
acbytesla said:
It's hateful the same way colored only bathrooms and drinking fountains are.

It's hateful because you're turning a group of people into criminals unnecessarily.
People are segregated by sex. But that is social segregation. It doesn't have to be a legal one.
I don't disagree with sports being dependent on biological sex. I agree with that.

I cannot confim anyone's sex simply by their outward appearance. A hairy person might be a man or a woman. A muscular person might be male or female. Every single sex identifying feature you might use is not universal. Including genitals. So when a masculine female walks into a woman's bathroom are they going to yell for the police?

This is not about protection of women. It's about justifying one of the last forms of discrimination. There always must be one more group of people for us to step on. I mean what would we do without it? I may not be better than everyone. But at least I'm better than those people.
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It's hateful because it judges all transpeople by the behavior of the worst of them. Everyone can be demonized by that standard.
 
lionking said:
Your argument is wrong. He is a rapist who now self identifies as a transwoman. He shouldn’t be allowed anywhere near women’s toilets, change rooms, prisons or sports.
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I tend to agree that her freedom should be restricted, but by the behavior she's already demonstrated, not by some hypothetical future behavior. IIRC, she's going to be in prison for many years for her crimes.

Should all trans-people be judged by her behavior? Why are why not?
 
smartcooky said:
Only the supporters of one side of this issue try to drown out people who say things they don't like, to no-platform them, to get them fired from their jobs or positions, makes threats of violence and death against they and their families, and holds up placards threatening violence and death. That side is TRA side - the side certain posters appear to be supporting.
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There are Antifa people who are prone to violence and doxing (which often gets people fired). Should we support fascism because we don't like their tactics?
 
Emily's Cat said:
Some males are super special males with special feels that need protecting from other males, so ◊◊◊◊ females, those bitches don't matter they should know their place and just let the special males do whatever the ◊◊◊◊ they want. They're only females after all, who gives a ◊◊◊◊ if they get raped and sexually assaulted and ogled and verbally harassed in a sexual way at astonishing rates? They ought to have known better than to show their ankles, after all, amirite?
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Pretty much sums his attitude up for me!

What I find astonishing in the Holy Dogma of the TRA Articles of Faith is the sheer duplicity therein. They gnash their teeth, clutch their pearls and head for the fainting couch at the very thought of poor, defenceless, snowflake transwomen being exposed other males in the men's toilets, but they don't give two short ◊◊◊◊◊ about the women who face the same exposure.

All they are doing is kicking the can down the road, and trying to make it other people's problem. Those other people aree women. I have still yet to have one of them provide me with a convicing argument as to why women should feel obliged to pick up that can.
 
smartcooky said:
Again, this nothing whatever to do with the transgender debate - its more irrelevant and dishonest whataboutism!
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It illustrates the difference between the cause and the people who advocate the cause. The cause may be just even if some of the people who advocate the cause go too far.

But I think you know that and are just being obtuse on purpose. Don't you think that's dishonest? Do you really think being purposefully obtuse makes you or your argument look good in any way?
 
Rolfe said:
That was pretty much what I was coming back to edit in. If we can be scolded that we shouldn't be objecting to men coming into our facilities and using them, why not scold the men to get over themselves and go and use the men's facilities?
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Not men. Transwomen.
 
theprestige said:
I understand a concept of legitimate entitlement, sure. No idea if it's the concept. It's certainly not your concept.

Anyway, how do you legitimize the entitlement of men to use women's restrooms whenever they want?
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Not men. Transwomen.
 
Clutch Cargo said:
It seems to me the subject ought to centre around "exposing oneself". When I'm in the gent's room I am either inside a stall or standing at the urinal, separated on both the right and left side by a partician, so I'm not exposing myself, as they say. Someone who is moving about outside of those particians (with free-range genitals in view) are exposing themselves. I don't like seeing it any more than the average woman would. If my opinion is based upon social or religious morality then it is what it is.
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Unlikely in toilets, but very likely in single sex changing rooms. This is the sort of behaviour that UPenn swimmers had to put up with from Will "Lia" Thomas. He used to walk though the changing rooms waving his schlong around. IMO, he did this intentionally to upset the women in the room
 
Thermal said:
I have yet to see a sign on a restroom that says "Female Only". I see men's and women's (which are defined as genders) and the stick figure wearing a dress or not, but never a sex test.
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McDonalds uses Male/Female.
 
smartcooky said:
Transwomen ARE men. That is the Law where Rolfe lives.
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Even if we go by your definition, transwomen are a subset of men. It's not men who want to use women's restrooms, it's that subset that is trans-women.

I, of course, believe transwomen are a subset of women.
 
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