Transwomen are not Women - Part 15

[Thermal]

I desire to live as a billionaire. I think most humans believe more is necessary than my desire.

Here, let's try a slightly different approach. Rachel Dolezal very strongly desired to live as a black person, despite having been born white and being raised in a white household. Do you think that black people in general should be expected to accept Dolezal as being black, based on their desire?

This so pisses me off because it is such a persuasive argument that it keeps sending me back to square one on the whole ◊◊◊◊◊◊◊ issue

 

[smartcooky]

There it is.

Stop being obtuse. I've maintained protection of women's modesty is a damn good reason to maintain sex segregated spaces.

Rolfe is NOT ◊◊◊◊◊◊◊-well being obtuse. She is telling you facts about women that if you weren't behaving as if you were some self-appointed arbiter of what women should feel, you would already know.

 

[Trausti]

I don't think trans-people believe it's a costume either.

And Charles VI really believed he was made of glass. But he wasn't.

 

[Thermal]

Rolfe is NOT ◊◊◊◊◊◊◊-well being obtuse. She is telling you facts about women that if you weren't behaving as if you were some self-appointed arbiter of what women should feel, you would already know.

You're right. If I say 50 times that women's modesty is a powerful argument for sex segregation and I support it wholeheartedly, and Rolfe says "so you don't support women's desire for modesty?", it's not obtuse. It's goddamned stupid. Thanks for the correction.

 

[Mycroft]

But let's get back to the question asked of you: What do you think it means, to live as a woman? What have the women in your life told you?

If you asked me what living as a man meant to me, I'd have a problem answering. I don't understand why you think I need to answer this?

 

[Mycroft]

And Charles VI really believed he was made of glass. But he wasn't.

I don't think being transgender is the same as believing you're made of glass.

 

[smartcooky]

Okay, here's where I am prepared for some shade to come my way.

Males - not just human ones - are lecherous by nature. The primary drive of males across all species is to have sex and spread their seed. Evolution doesn't care at all about our social conventions. So yes, males are instinctively primed to be sexually aroused and sexually motivated.

I expect that pretty much all heterosexual male humans will look appraisingly at females they find attractive; I expect that homosexual males do the same to other males.

Most males are self-aware enough that they glance surreptitiously and appreciate inside their minds. Some males lack that self awareness, and will lasciviously ogle a 12-year-old's breasts (and anyone else's they see). Some males lack the wherewithal to keep their sex-related thoughts locked up in their brains, and allow those thoughts to spill out into the world for all to hear. Those males make life supremely uncomfortable for pretty much all females once puberty hits - and I very much appreciate that there are good males out there who will help keep them in check.

I am aware that erections almost never occur on demand (caveat for porn stars, perhaps?). I am also aware that erections can happen based on sexual thoughts. But also happen when the breeze strikes from the right angle.

And I'm also aware that the random inappropriate erections tend to calm down by the early 20s for most normally developed males

This is truth - if you cop any shade thrown at you for saying this, then I will have only contempt for the the thrower.

 

[theprestige]

If you asked me what living as a man meant to me, I'd have a problem answering. I don't understand why you think I need to answer this?

Come now. A moment ago you were urging me to inquire of gendered lifestyles among those living them. Now you confess that you have no idea how to describe the gendered lifestyle you live.

So you have no idea what it means to live as a woman. And you have no idea what it means to live as a man. But somehow you know that transwomen have figured out what you cannot.

Well I'll tell you what it means to live as a woman: It means to live as a female. Which transwomen are not, by definition.

 

[Clutch Cargo]

So we all have to do what Japan and Belgium do?

How did you get that idea?

Why not compel Japan and Belgium to do what we do?

Why indeed.

That's not any sort of argument.

Who's making it?

.... women know perfectly well the sort of involuntary responses a male body is subject to,

No, they do not.

Nobody is blaming you for that,

You are wrong there.

we just don't want the possibility of you doing that anywhere near us while we're dealing with a menstrual accident or an underwear malfunction.

Who is saying otherwise?

 

[theprestige]

I don't think being transgender is the same as believing you're made of glass.

Believing you're the opposite of your biological sex seems very much the same as any other delusional belief about your identity.

 

[Clutch Cargo]

..... lavatories have "always" been shared by both men and women in Japan and in Belgium without any problem.

I live in Japan and what you wrote is completely false.

Are you telling me that you have never been anywhere in Japan where men and women share the same lavatory? I don't believe you are being honest.

 

[Clutch Cargo]

Okay, here's where I am prepared for some shade to come my way.

Oh-oh!

Males - not just human ones - are lecherous by nature.

Yep, good start. Shade is on the way!

The primary drive of males across all species is to have sex and spread their seed. Evolution doesn't care at all about our social conventions. So yes, males are instinctively primed to be sexually aroused and sexually motivated.

This is some sort of biblical thing, right? "Go forth and procreate".

I expect that pretty much all heterosexual male humans will look appraisingly at females they find attractive; I expect that homosexual males do the same to other males.

No doubt.

Most males are self-aware enough that they glance surreptitiously and appreciate inside their minds. Some males lack that self awareness, and will lasciviously ogle a 12-year-old's breasts (and anyone else's they see). Some males lack the wherewithal to keep their sex-related thoughts locked up in their brains, and allow those thoughts to spill out into the world for all to hear.

Nature vs. the bible or nature supports the bible?

Those males make life supremely uncomfortable for pretty much all females once puberty hits - and I very much appreciate that there are good males out there who will help keep them in check.

Are morals innate?

I am aware that erections almost never occur on demand. I am also aware that erections can happen based on sexual thoughts. But also happen when the breeze strikes from the right angle.

Thank you for your honesty.

And I'm also aware that the random inappropriate erections tend to calm down by the early 20s for most normally developed males

I don't agree with that and anyway I think you are overstepping your authority about what "inappropriate" means.

 

[Mycroft]

So you have no idea what it means to live as a woman. And you have no idea what it means to live as a man. But somehow you know that transwomen have figured out what you cannot.

The trans-person needs to answer that question in their personal life. There is no reason for me to do it for them.

Well I'll tell you what it means to live as a woman: It means to live as a female. Which transwomen are not, by definition.

That definition is tailored to your viewpoint.

 

[Clutch Cargo]

Well I'll tell you what it means to live as a woman: It means to live as a female. Which transwomen are not, by definition.

That definition is tailored to your viewpoint.

How is that "tailored"?

 

[Mycroft]

Believing you're the opposite of your biological sex seems very much the same as any other delusional belief about your identity.

They used to say the same about being gay.

 

[Mycroft]

How is that "tailored"?

In this context it means his definition was written to match his viewpoint. There are many answers to the question that wouldn't.

 

[Clutch Cargo]

In this context it means his definition was written to match his viewpoint.

That's what language is for. I can be happy or angry and I can chose the words that describe it. That's not tailoring.

 

[Ziggurat]

I don't think trans-people believe it's a costume either.

They act like it, though.

 

[Mycroft]

They act like it, though.

The only people I've seen who have described a trans-person's clothes as a costume have been anti-trans people here in this thread. I think it's meant to be dismissive of the trans-experience and a pejorative.

 

[Ziggurat]

What part of that definition excludes trans-women?

Female.

Transwomen are not female. If they were, they would just be women. They are transwomen and not just women because they are male.

What part of that is confusing to you? Do you not understand what male and female mean? Do you think Caitlin Jenner is female?

Don't you feel just a little weird saying that after a leftist just did provide a definition for "woman"?

What part of “so many” did you not understand? Did you think it meant “all”? Because it doesn’t. And there’s a reason that so many avoid the “woman = adult human female” definition, specifically because it OBVIOUSLY excludes transwomen.