Thermal
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... I'm sorry, what was that last part?
Eta: I mean, if you thought about other guys' dicks a little less I don't think we'd be having this discussion.
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Transwomen are not Women - Part 15
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Eta: I mean, if you thought about other guys' dicks a little less I don't think we'd be having this discussion.
Ron Obvious
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There's no proof of that hard-wired identity at all. Certainly not one that shows up on a test. The comparison to handedness or even sexuality (i.e. who you're attracted to) is not valid, IMO. I don't need to prove what my favourite flavour of ice cream is either. Whether it's innate or not is really not important.
Not so with people claiming to be what they manifestly are NOT. What they sincerely believe is not all that important to me.
I'm not impolite in real life, honestly. If someone claims to be the reincarnation of Mozart, I will tell them "how nice for you." But I won't believe them.
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Thermal
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Agreed. As far as I know, there is no objective self identity measurement. Ok.
That last line is the difference between our respective stances, I guess.
#MeToo. I believe a trans person feels that way, but I don't believe they physically are. But if they are otherwise cool, I don't have a problem with them and will call them what they like. My essence is not compromised by pronouns. Not effected at all, really.
Hercules56
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Point is, if "she" has a bigger dick print than me, she is a he.
Thermal
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I hear you, man. I just don't have as much available mental horsepower to dedicate to thinking about other guys' dicks. How big they are, if they are bigger than mine, or if they have one at all. It just ain't my thing.
Hercules56
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Looks, for the sake of peace on Earth, I'd be willing to call men "she/her/miss/ma'am", but ONLY if they are willing to in return call me the High Prince of Jupiter.
Yes, its absurd. But if they can do it so can I.
Thermal
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Fair enough. And others will call her "she" and call you "flaming douchebag" . All fair, yes?
Hercules56
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"Boys have a penis, girls have a vagina".
Who knew Kindergarten Cop would be soo wise?
Who knew Kindergarten Cop would be soo wise?
Thermal
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"... and transwomen have a penis, and sometimes surgical alterations."
Who knew people could be a little more complex than that intellectual tour de force, Kindergarten Cop?
Who knew people could be a little more complex than that intellectual tour de force, Kindergarten Cop?
Graham2001
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Some more corrosive commentary from the contrarians at Spiked...
https://www.spiked-online.com/2025/03/30/the-white-lotus-exposes-a-dark-truth-about-trans/
https://www.spiked-online.com/2025/03/30/the-white-lotus-exposes-a-dark-truth-about-trans/
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smartcooky
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All the BS being tossed around in this thread aside, if I acquiesce to a demand by a biological male who has decided he is a woman and wants to be referred to as "she/her", well tough luck. I will not, because if I do, I am denying observable, biological and scientific reality, and I would be surrendering to TRA demands to use their jargon, thereby furthering their cause and helping to normalize their shtick.
I flat-out refuse to do either.
I flat-out refuse to do either.
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Thermal
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...ok...the study cited was from the, um...the Medical Journal of Islamic Iran. I don't mean to suggest likely bias or anything , but um...
The frequency of personality disorders in patients with gender identity disorder
Background :Co-morbid psychiatric disorders affect prognosis, psychosocial adjustment and post-surgery satisfaction in patients with gender identity disorder. In this paper, we assessed the frequency of personality disorders in Iranian GID patients. Methods : Seventy- three patients requesting...
smartcooky
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And?
Oh, of course you do. You wouldn't have pointed it out otherwise!
It seems to have been a scholarly enough article for the US Government "National Institutes of Health" to publish on their website
Try reading the actual paper (~700kb PDF)
You will find they have included all their raw data (unless of course, you think they have done an Andrew Wakefield - who is English by the way) and faked their data?
Hercules56
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You can always use the Ignore feature.
And you could be bothered reading back. I’m going to continue to post and point out ridiculous posts in this thread where I have been participating for years.
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Kinda hard to read though 89 pages before posting. Oh well, I think I wont.
Thermal
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Very astute of you to detect the obvious sarcasm, yes.
Within its context, yes. But for posters to try to extrapolate inferences out of that context, not wise. See below.
The study size was 73 individuals. Starting right there, the very small sampling should have us reeling in too many conclusions regarding millions of western trans folk, which is the obvious intent. But it's fair to point out that sex changes are going to be a small group by nature, so:
The study was performed in Iran. You think, I suppose, that this population is globally representative? I think not, considering that Iranians have diagnosed personality disorders at rates estimated at three times the global average. And of those disorders, guess which is the most prevalent (as in most Islamic cutures)? That's right, narcissism.
Prevalence, sociodemographic correlates, and comorbidity of personality disorders in the general population of Iran - Current Psychology
Personality disorders (PDs) are severe mental issues, while the information in the common population is not comprehensively identified worldwide. We aimed to study the prevalence of personality disorders, their sociodemographic correlates, and their comorbidity with psychiatric disorders in the...
link.springer.com
You'll note that of the 84% reported to have comorbid personality disorders in the Iranian study, a whopping 57% indicated the highest reported disorder: yes, narcissism.
So we have a small study from a country with staggeringly high rates of narcissism and personality disorders, and they find that sex change recipients have... staggeringly high rates of narcissism and personality disorders, that our Brit, Yank, and Kiwi posters want to draw local inference from. This is comparing with a culture where homosexuality and blasphemy are capital crimes (although surprisingly tolerant of transgenders).
Apples and narcissistic murderous oranges FTW.
Eta: also, regarding the post I was responding to: the video author claims to have been in the study. I don't believe her, nor her random claim about autistic people believing they are transgender when they are not.
We could say it's more likely that she simply doesn't understand the words she is typing. Or we could go ahead and glean that she appears to not understand much and appears more than a bit stupid and bigoted, highly susceptable to confirmation bias, as virtually all of these random tweet authors cited seem to be.
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Thermal
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Oh, and @smartcooky ? Something else I just noticed, and was frankly stunned by:
The personality disorders were never clinically diagnosed, by anyone at anytime in the Iranian study. Sound unbelievable? Look at the methodology. They relied on the Millon test. That is a self administerd, self reporting true/false questionnaire. It's reliable as a start, but not for clinical diagnoses, for reasons that should be obvious.
Eta: and as support on my surprise at relying entirely on the Millon:
"Research indicates that the Millon Clinical Multiaxial Inventory (MCMI-I) lacks diagnostic accuracy when compared to clinically generated DSM-III-R diagnoses. This shortcoming is most evident for the identification of psychotic disorders. The MCMI-II was designed to reflect more accurately the DSM-III-R diagnostic formulation, but its diagnostic efficacy has yet to be determined with clinical samples.
pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov
The personality disorders were never clinically diagnosed, by anyone at anytime in the Iranian study. Sound unbelievable? Look at the methodology. They relied on the Millon test. That is a self administerd, self reporting true/false questionnaire. It's reliable as a start, but not for clinical diagnoses, for reasons that should be obvious.
Eta: and as support on my surprise at relying entirely on the Millon:
"Research indicates that the Millon Clinical Multiaxial Inventory (MCMI-I) lacks diagnostic accuracy when compared to clinically generated DSM-III-R diagnoses. This shortcoming is most evident for the identification of psychotic disorders. The MCMI-II was designed to reflect more accurately the DSM-III-R diagnostic formulation, but its diagnostic efficacy has yet to be determined with clinical samples.
Diagnostic utility of the MCMI-I and MCMI-II with psychiatric outpatients - PubMed
Research indicates that the Millon Clinical Multiaxial Inventory (MCMI-I) lacks diagnostic accuracy when compared to clinically generated DSM-III-R diagnoses. This shortcoming is most evident for the identification of psychotic disorders. The MCMI-II was designed to reflect more accurately the...
pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov
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