Is Jesus's "this generation will certainly not pass" valid grounds for scepticism?

Poem said:
If you are suggesting that we shouldn't be reference bible verses because we don't know whether it actually happened or not, why did you reference Deuteronomy 18:15 and interpret it?
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I did not interpret it. I stated what it clearly says. There is no imagined reference to Jesus as God incarnate.

You are taking us in circles, which is your standard practice.
 
Skeptical Greg said:
I did not interpret it. I stated what it clearly says. There is no imagined reference to Jesus as God incarnate.

You are taking us in circles, which is your standard practice.
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And you've ignored the crux of Poem's question and focused on the last two words. If you stopped evading the point you might not end up going in circles.
 
sphenisc said:
In which Christian religion is that true?
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In most of them. It is a central plank of faith in the RCC, CofE, all the major other protestant churches I know, the Methodists, the Mormons etc. I would say of the well known Christian religions only the UC and the Jehovis Witnesses are non-trinitarian Christian religions.

Again if Poem will state which Christian religion he wants to talk about I am willing to stick to that one.
 
Darat said:
In most of them. It is a central plank of faith in the RCC, CofE, all the major other protestant churches I know, the Methodists, the Mormons etc. I would say of the well known Christian religions only the UC and the Jehovis Witnesses are non-trinitarian Christian religions.

Again if Poem will state which Christian religion he wants to talk about I am willing to stick to that one.
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Nope , it's not true of any of those churches.
 
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Poem said:
Matthew 21:10,11
When Jesus entered Jerusalem, the whole city was stirred and asked, “Who is this?” The crowds answered, “This is Jesus, the prophet from Nazareth in Galilee.”
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Yes because the crowds at the time were ignorant and did not know he was god. That comes about later.

The apostles' creed - shared by at least the three largest Christian religions:

I believe in God, the Father almighty,
creator of heaven and earth.

I believe in Jesus Christ, his only Son, our Lord,
who was conceived by the Holy Spirit,
born of the Virgin Mary,
suffered under Pontius Pilate,
was crucified, died, and was buried;
he descended to the dead.
On the third day he rose again;
he ascended into heaven,
he is seated at the right hand of the Father,
and he will come to judge the living and the dead.

I believe in the Holy Spirit,
the holy catholic Church,
the communion of saints,
the forgiveness of sins,
the resurrection of the body,
and the life everlasting.

Amen.

No mention of Jesus being a prophet. And the longer Nicene Creed

We believe in one God,
the Father, the Almighty,
maker of heaven and earth,
of all that is,
seen and unseen.

We believe in one Lord, Jesus Christ,
the only Son of God,
eternally begotten of the Father,
God from God, Light from Light,
true God from true God,
begotten, not made,
of one Being with the Father;
through him all things were made.
For us and for our salvation he came down from heaven,
was incarnate from the Holy Spirit and the Virgin Mary
and was made man.
For our sake he was crucified under Pontius Pilate;
he suffered death and was buried.
On the third day he rose again
in accordance with the Scriptures;
he ascended into heaven
and is seated at the right hand of the Father.
He will come again in glory to judge the living and the dead,
and his kingdom will have no end.

We believe in the Holy Spirit,
the Lord, the giver of life,
who proceeds from the Father and the Son,
who with the Father and the Son is worshipped and glorified,
who has spoken through the prophets.
We believe in one holy catholic and apostolic Church.
We acknowledge one baptism for the forgiveness of sins.
We look for the resurrection of the dead,
and the life of the world to come.
Amen.

Again no mention of Jesus being a prophet.
 
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Darat said:
See my post above - both the quicky and the longer creed make it very clear , it is at the very heart of nearly all Christian religions; none of them hold that Jesus was a prophet.
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Neither creed covers the period between Jesus' birth and the suffering under Pontius Pilate. Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence.

From the Catechism of the Catholic Church
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783 Jesus Christ is the one whom the Father anointed with the Holy Spirit and established as priest, prophet, and king. the whole People of God participates in these three offices of Christ and bears the responsibilities for mission and service that flow from them
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From the Compendium of the Catechism of the Catholic Church
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155. In what way does the people of God share in the three functions of Christ as Priest, Prophet and King?

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The people of God participate in Christ's priestly office insofar as the baptized are consecrated by the Holy Spirit to offer spiritual sacrifices. They share in Christ’s prophetic office when with a supernatural sense of faith they adhere unfailingly to that faith and deepen their understanding and witness to it. The people of God share in his kingly office by means of service, imitating Jesus Christ who as King of the universe made himself the servant of all, especially the poor and the suffering.
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sphenisc said:
Neither creed covers the period between Jesus' birth and the suffering under Pontius Pilate. Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence.

From the Catechism of the Catholic Church
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783 Jesus Christ is the one whom the Father anointed with the Holy Spirit and established as priest, prophet, and king. the whole People of God participates in these three offices of Christ and bears the responsibilities for mission and service that flow from them
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From the Compendium of the Catechism of the Catholic Church
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155. In what way does the people of God share in the three functions of Christ as Priest, Prophet and King?

783-786

The people of God participate in Christ's priestly office insofar as the baptized are consecrated by the Holy Spirit to offer spiritual sacrifices. They share in Christ’s prophetic office when with a supernatural sense of faith they adhere unfailingly to that faith and deepen their understanding and witness to it. The people of God share in his kingly office by means of service, imitating Jesus Christ who as King of the universe made himself the servant of all, especially the poor and the suffering.
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And?
 
I hadn't really thought much about Moses being considered a prophet before the present discourse, so I decided to check it out and found Deuteronomy 21:23 to be interesting. It supposedly foreshadows the Messiah (whoever that might be) dying on the cross. The punch line is "..anyone who is hung on a pole, is under God's curse.".

Well, God's rules, after all.
 
sphenisc said:
And they refer to Jesus as a prophet and having a prophetic office.
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Perhaps more relevant to Lewis, as an Anglican of the Reformed tradition.

From the Heidelberg Catechism

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31. Why is He called “Christ,” that is, Anointed?

Because He is ordained of God the Father and anointed with the Holy Spirit1 to be our chief Prophet and Teacher,2 who has fully revealed to us the secret counsel and will of God concerning our redemption;3 and our only High Priest,4 who by the one sacrifice of His body, has redeemed us, and ever lives to make intercession for us with the Father;5 and our eternal King, who governs us by His Word and Spirit, and defends and preserves us in the redemption obtained for us.
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