d4m10n
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Okay, I'll try again.
If someone needs something like cross-sex hormones, then we can count them as actually trans at the point of intake.
Transwomen are not Women - Part 15
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If someone needs something like cross-sex hormones, then we can count them as actually trans at the point of intake.
smartcooky
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I'm not buying this 'everyone should play nice' shtick being extolled by @angrysoba - Trans Radical Activists are vile, unscrupulous people - every single one of them. They will resort any means; accusations of bigotry, letter-writing campaigns to cancel people who speak against them, bogus complaints to employers, complaints to police, swatting and even personal violence against anyone who opposes their narrative in the slightest.
I make the same argument here that is made about friends sitting around a table. If there are ten LGBT friends sitting around a table, and one of them is a TRA, then they are ALL TRAs - if you are friends with a TRA, or if you parrot their talking points, then YOU are a TRA as well.
I make the same argument here that is made about friends sitting around a table. If there are ten LGBT friends sitting around a table, and one of them is a TRA, then they are ALL TRAs - if you are friends with a TRA, or if you parrot their talking points, then YOU are a TRA as well.
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d4m10n
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This is some toxic ◊◊◊◊◊◊◊◊.
TRA says, "I think Glenn v. Brumby was rightly decided."
I say, "Of course!" (Who doesn't‽)
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angrysoba
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Again, you are another person quoting me saying something I never said.
I am not interested in playing nice, and I am not asking you to play nice either.
What I am pointing out is your inaccuracy.
I will say again that the articles were each about gay men preying on gay minors. But because of your idée fixe you people are only capable of focusing on some sentences about "trans activism". No doubt you can make up a narrative in your heads that maybe the trans thing made them paedophiles, but that is not in evidence.
Besides, I mentioned before that this is just Choose-Your-Own-Adventure time. You could just as well say that the G in LGBT is what should lead you to lock up your sons, and I would not be surprised if some way down the line one or two of you get there as well, but at least for now you would recognize that as bigotry, I hope.
As for the idea that someone sitting round the table with a Trans Radical [sic] Activist, I think you have pinched that from a meme about Nazis, which is an unfortunate parallel isn't it? After all, again using the Choose-Your-Own-Adventure logic, I could say, if Gender Critical people turn up at a rally with Nazis or the National Front, and they say the same thing as Nazis and the National Front, then they are Nazis as well. Wouldn't that be a stupid conclusion to come to?
Yet that is where the guilt-by-association argument leads.
Graham2001
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This kind of thing does the pro-Trans cause no good at all, if it can be proven to have happened.
Deerfield middle school administrators force teen girls to change in front of boy in school locker room
Deerfield middle school administrators force teen girls to change in front of boy in school locker room
d4m10n
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Here's a locally reported version of the same news story from WBEZ.
chicago.suntimes.com
Federal complaints are lodged against Chicago, Deerfield for accommodating trans students
A north suburban mom says her teenage daughter was forced to change in front of a transgender classmate. The Deerfield school district says her allegation isn’t true.
chicago.suntimes.com
smartcooky
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...and these are the types of scumbags EC, Rolfe and I rail against, and whom @d4m10n and @angrysoba don't seem to have any problem with.Here's a locally reported version of the same news story from WBEZ.
Federal complaints are lodged against Chicago, Deerfield for accommodating trans students
A north suburban mom says her teenage daughter was forced to change in front of a transgender classmate. The Deerfield school district says her allegation isn’t true.
If a teacher tried that crap on with my granddaughter at their school, he's gonna regret it.
smartcooky
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Its not toxic, its treating scumbags exactly the way they deserve.... if you support TRAs than you are exactly as bad as they are.
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Here's the full school board meeting video in question:
The mom's testimony begins around 43:10 and continues to about 46:10. Multiple other people spoke in support of the trans kid.
I didn't sit through everyone's testimony, but I did listen to a sampling of it. Most of it seems like the sort of thing you would expect (trans girls are girls, how dare you call them boys, transphobia is the real threat, etc). What I didn't hear was any actual addressing of the concerns of a parent who doesn't want their female child sharing a locker room with a male child.
The mom's testimony begins around 43:10 and continues to about 46:10. Multiple other people spoke in support of the trans kid.
I didn't sit through everyone's testimony, but I did listen to a sampling of it. Most of it seems like the sort of thing you would expect (trans girls are girls, how dare you call them boys, transphobia is the real threat, etc). What I didn't hear was any actual addressing of the concerns of a parent who doesn't want their female child sharing a locker room with a male child.
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In fairness, we don't yet have confirmation that this is how the teacher behaved, so we should keep in mind that we might not have an accurate picture of events. But the response at the meeting of the speakers in support of the trans kid came across as mostly not caring if that's how the teacher behaved. It seems like a lot of people would be OK with it even if the mom's account were accurate. And that's troubling even if her account turns out not to be.
d4m10n
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To be clear, because I think Glenn v. Brumby was rightly decided then I must support ALL trans-rights initiatives, no matter how extreme or harmful. Are you even hearing yourself here? This is not just toxic ◊◊◊◊◊◊◊◊, it's Manichaean ◊◊◊◊◊◊◊◊ to boot.
We need to "burn the lot of them" and don't forget if you agree with any of them about anything, you're next.
◊◊◊◊◊◊◊ McCarthyist nonsense.
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Sherkeu
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Update on University sports and Trans: No Trans "women" on the top teams now. (as voiced to us parents)
We were invited to 11th grade athlete recruiting at an Ivy League school.
About a dozen female students attended.....all from California.
Their pool still had Lia Thomas as the record holder on the wall, just as 'he' is at several other east coast schools.
However, the coach, who had a male team member playing in practice with the females, made sure to come tell us EMPHATICALLY, that the male was NOT on the team and was just there, as a Sr. class volunteer, to make practice more competitive.
Some of his pool moves made the female players just laugh at him, like "haha... no way I can match that!"
(But practicing against him improves their skills.)
We were invited to 11th grade athlete recruiting at an Ivy League school.
About a dozen female students attended.....all from California.
Their pool still had Lia Thomas as the record holder on the wall, just as 'he' is at several other east coast schools.
However, the coach, who had a male team member playing in practice with the females, made sure to come tell us EMPHATICALLY, that the male was NOT on the team and was just there, as a Sr. class volunteer, to make practice more competitive.
Some of his pool moves made the female players just laugh at him, like "haha... no way I can match that!"
(But practicing against him improves their skills.)
smartcooky
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This case has NOTHING to do with ANYTHING we are talking about here.
It has nothing to do with the force-teaming of LGB with T
It has nothing to do with the fact the advocates of LGB without T are labelled bigots and transphobes
Glenn v. Brumby is a discrimination in employment case, and that is all it is!
Glenn v. Brumby - Wikipedia
And FWIW, I too believe it was decided correctly
So let me get this right... you support Trans Rights activitists in ALL the vile things they do? The violence? The assaults? The cancelling of speakers? the harrassment of employers? You're on board with all of that?
What a load of unmitgated horse-cock!
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Sherkeu
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The academics are coming to the conclusion that not only is having males compete against females 'not fair' but encouraging this mentality in the research has caused actual physical harm, extending out to other institutions, other studies.
To me, when it is in grade schools, it is child abuse. Plain and simple.
The permanence of these trans procedures is a disgusting mutilation of mind, growth, and often of healthy body parts.
It is a devastating permanence that lasts forever.
Shame on all the proponents. You ALL know this.
Do not continue to be advocates of abuse of young men, women and girls. No surgeries on kids to affirm., How GROSS!
I hope they all hate you and sue for damages when they realize what you have done to the.
Also, for the USA... Title I IX for females!!! XX FEMALES XX ONLY
Sherkeu
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The academics are coming to the conclusion that not only is having males compete against females 'not fair' but encouraging this mentality in the research has caused actual physical harm, extending out to other institutions, other studies.
To me, when it is in grade schools, it is child abuse. Plain and simple.
The permanence of these trans procedures is a disgusting mutilation of mind, growth, and often of healthy body parts.
It is a devastating permanence that lasts forever.
Shame on all the proponents. You ALL know this.
Do not continue to be advocates of abuse of young men, women and girls. No surgeries on kids to affirm., How GROSS!
I hope they all hate you and sue for damages when they realize what you have done to the.
Also, for the USA... Title IX for females!!! XX FEMALES XX ONLY
To me, when it is in grade schools, it is child abuse. Plain and simple.
The permanence of these trans procedures is a disgusting mutilation of mind, growth, and often of healthy body parts.
It is a devastating permanence that lasts forever.
Shame on all the proponents. You ALL know this.
Do not continue to be advocates of abuse of young men, women and girls. No surgeries on kids to affirm., How GROSS!
I hope they all hate you and sue for damages when they realize what you have done to the.
Also, for the USA... Title IX for females!!! XX FEMALES XX ONLY
Smartcooky's schtick is that all transgender people are rapists, thus he "logically" assumes all TRAs are all rape apologists.
No nuance here, folks.
No nuance here, folks.
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Meanwhile Australia moves to replace Unisex toilet facilities with 'All-Gender' toilet facilities:
Australia is considering making changes to build all-gender toilets. What are they?
Australia is considering making changes to build all-gender toilets. What are they?
angrysoba
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I don't support that and you have absolutely no reason to allege that I do except for your noted indifference to accuracy and predilection for bombastic diatribes.