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Does the Shroud of Turin Show Expected Elongation of the Head in 2D?"

bobdroege7 said:
but it's a rare AB blood type on the shroud, how did the forger in the 14th century know about blood types?
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They just used blood, which is bound to be one type or another. Or do you suppose they considered AB as specially significant somehow?
 
KAJ said:
Don't expect me to comment on this paper until you demonstrate that you have read my post #341, especially why you consider unquantified heterogeneity to be "a problem", and why the issues I raised don't apply to this paper.
Recall that I said:
Overall it appears that you use statistics as a drunk uses a lamppost — for support rather than illumination. If I see signs that you are moving goalposts, or trying a gish gallop, or evading my questions and comments, then I'll stop engaging with you - I value my time above your approval.​
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If you are assuming all the variation is due to random error, you are making a bad assumption.

They picked an area of the shroud where medieval repairs were done, that's on hypothesis as to why the chi^2 test failed.
 
bobdroege7 said:
Yes, it's a rare blood type, only a 3% chance they got the right one.
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You're having a remarkably hard time understanding the target a forgery would have to hit. What makes any given blood type the "right" type? Every blood has a type. Any example of blood will have a type. The "right" type would be an issue if there was some reason why the blood would have to be a specific type.

Also, the claim that there is any blood at all on the shroud is based on unreliable findings.
 
catsmate said:
Wrong.

Evidence? More Magic God Energy?

The shroud has been replicated, despite you ignoring this awkward fact.

Yes. Unlike you, I'd read it previously, and understood it
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But there is too much information on the shroud, that a 14th century artist would have no way of knowing, like the AB blood type. Was the forger that lucky?

Plus no blood strokes, no pigments, none of that.
 
bobdroege7 said:
Sorry, not dead body.
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But you still have a double standard.

When considering whether the shroud could have been forged, your standard of proof requires that historians reconstruct the exact method that was used. That's functionally impossible, but it has been shown that some method exists that relies only on contemporary materials and knowledge.

But when you consider how a living or dead body can have made the image on the shroud, all you can muster is that it must have been "some sort of chemical reaction." Your standard of proof is ridiculously lower for your preferred conclusion. You're allowing pure speculation to masquerade as evidence.
 
bobdroege7 said:
But there is too much information on the shroud, that a 14th century artist would have no way of knowing, like the AB blood type.
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He doesn't need to know the blood type.

bobdroege7 said:
Plus no blood strokes, no pigments, none of that.
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I assume you mean "brush stroke." That's been asked and answered.

Pigments have been found on the shroud.
 
bobdroege7 said:
but it's a rare AB blood type on the shroud, how did the forger in the 14th century know about blood types?
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Even if there was such blood on the shroud people still had blood types prior to us typing blood....

Plus why couldn't the artist have simply used his own blood if he wanted to use blood? Or does the bible state that Jesus had AB type?
 
bobdroege7 said:
Exactly, it's part of the magic the forger had to know, when he had no way of knowing that.
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Dude... do you have some reason to assume that type AB is "the right one"? You have some scriptural dirt on what Jesus' blood type was supposed to be?

Also, no blood was found on the shroud of any type. Even if there were, there's no saying it was original, and not a later embellishment.
 
bobdroege7 said:
But there is too much information on the shroud, that a 14th century artist would have no way of knowing, like the AB blood type. Was the forger that lucky?
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Bollocks. There is no evidence of blood on the shroud. Let alone sufficient intact material for a blood grouping.
bobdroege7 said:
Plus no blood strokes, no pigments, none of that.
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Plenty of pigments actually......

Look @bobdroege7 this is just pathetic. At least try and accept reality.
 
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