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Merged USAID: is it really a bunch of crazy leftists? / Trump Was Absolutely Right to Shut Down USAID

Ziggurat said:
How much USAID spending went to hunger relief?
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I admit. I don't know. I do know that the US should be extending foreign aid. I do know I don't trust Trump or Musk to unilaterally stop the funding. Whatever happened to Congressional authorizations? What ever happened to legislation?
 
acbytesla said:
I admit. I don't know. I do know that the US should be extending foreign aid. I do know I don't trust Trump or Musk to unilaterally stop the funding. Whatever happened to Congressional authorizations? What ever happened to legislation?
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Those are good questions. In that context, it seems like a good thing to eliminate Executive branch programs that lack adequate Congressional oversight. Regardless of which chief executive pulls the trigger.
 
Sherkeu said:
Sure. Only problem is that it doesn't work. Asylum seekers of the last 10yrs, that were 90% young men, are the biggest rapers of the west at the moment. I'm not too happy about it.
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Its like a drunken facebook post and old crank in a barber shop had a baby and named it this comment

Its literally 90% of our international relations. When you feel you have to send the people with guns and bombs, somebody ◊◊◊◊◊◊ up.

As for your rapers thing...if you don't like them why do you vote for them?
 
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Sherkeu said:
It is a side effect we can tolerate to get ◊◊◊◊ done. Shut it all down.
I was a fan of Millei from the moment he won.
This is how the bloat gets slimmed. ¡Afuera!
Some things gets hurt in the process but it must be done for the prosperity of everyone long term.
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Airline crashes are a side effect we can tolerate?
 
theprestige said:
Those are good questions. In that context, it seems like a good thing to eliminate Executive branch programs that lack adequate Congressional oversight. Regardless of which chief executive pulls the trigger.
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That too changes the dynamic. The Executive branch is set up to execute policies that the legislative branch authorizes. Wouldn't the proper process be referring improper use of funds to Congress and the judicial branch to resolve those issues?
 
theprestige said:
Those are good questions. In that context, it seems like a good thing to eliminate Executive branch programs that lack adequate Congressional oversight. Regardless of which chief executive pulls the trigger.
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What does that have to do with USAID, which was set up by Congress, if I understand correctly,
 
acbytesla said:
I admit. I don't know. I do know that the US should be extending foreign aid.
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USAID isn't the only mechanism that we have to do so.
acbytesla said:
I do know I don't trust Trump or Musk to unilaterally stop the funding. Whatever happened to Congressional authorizations? What ever happened to legislation?
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Most foreign aid isn't specifically designated by legislation. Any foreign aid which is specifically designated by legislation cannot be stopped by Trump. If Congress wants specific foreign aid to be delivered without executive branch interference, they have the power to specify that aid.
 
theprestige said:
By all accounts it's an unsupervised, unaccountable slush fund. Who cares what kind of partisans it's full of? Shut it down, transfer its functions and funding to the State Department.
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What do you mean "by all accounts" The accounts of Musk and Trump?
 
Ziggurat said:
Most foreign aid isn't specifically designated by legislation. Any foreign aid which is specifically designated by legislation cannot be stopped by Trump. If Congress wants specific foreign aid to be delivered without executive branch interference, they have the power to specify that aid.
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You're mistaken. While there is discretion on certain foreign aid spending a lot of it is specifically ordered.
 
acbytesla said:
That too changes the dynamic. The Executive branch is set up to execute policies that the legislative branch authorizes. Wouldn't the proper process be referring improper use of funds to Congress and the judicial branch to resolve those issues?
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No, that's stupid. "Improper" doesn't mean illegal, so the judicial branch has absolutely no role. And when Congress delegates to the executive branch the discretion to spend certain moneys as the executive branch sees fit (as they often do, and as they have done with much of USAID's budget), what's the point of the executive branch going back to Congress to complain that the executive branch did a bad job in choosing how to spend that money?

This is an administrative dispute within the executive branch, not between the executive and Congress. The only role Congress plays is if it changes its mind about what spending discretion it wants to give to the executive branch. Which they are free to do, but Trump doesn't need their permission to exercise the discretion they've already given him.
 
zooterkin said:
What does that have to do with USAID, which was set up by Congress, if I understand correctly,
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Um... they set it up as an executive branch program. And Congressional oversight of that program has historically been rather lax.
 
Ziggurat said:
Um... they set it up as an executive branch program. And Congressional oversight of that program has historically been rather lax.
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Sooo wouldn't all the time, effort, and resources be better spent pressuring the relevant committees in the co-equal legislature to do their job? Where is the oversight now? What are they doing in the Treasury with our data?
 
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Donal said:
Sooo wouldn't all the time, effort, and resources be better spent pressuring the relevant committees in the co-equal legislature to do their job? Where is the oversight now? What are they doing in the Treasury with our data?
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You still seem to think that the Constitution, committees, co-equal legislature, Treasury etc. matters.
 
Sherkeu said:
Oh I used to think you were so clever.
I actually have a good record of being on the side of saying what becomes proven to be true....on this very forum. I think the logic in this space has been off the rails for a bit. Let's get back on track.
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Is it the bigliest best record like the world has never seen before? Are people coming up to you and saying, "Sherkeu, how do you say so many things that become proven to be true?"
 
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