Ed Does anyone here believe that Princess Diana's car crash was suspicious?

[MarkCorrigan]

You are simply wrong.

 

[MarkCorrigan]

You missed the point (among other things.) If a person can do it, and a corporation can do it, and a silly hotel can do it....then something even more powerful than them can do it, too.

Again, delusional rubbish. The facts are that CCTV was NOT widespread in Paris, and that most of what there was was limited to coverage of buildings and a few very high risk areas. There was not blanket coverage. You are simply incorrect and if you choose to persist in this incorrect notion after several of us have informed you that it is not true you are deliberately lying to protect your fantasy.

 

[BartholomewWest]

This is akin to saying "Will Smith managed to slap Chris Rock. Therefore, Chris Rock could easily be slapped by Jason Momoa. Cause Momoa is way bigger than Will Smith."

I hope that analogy was a good one.

 

[MarkCorrigan]

This is akin to saying "Will Smith managed to slap Chris Rock. Therefore, Chris Rock could easily be slapped by Jason Momoa. Cause Momoa is way bigger than Will Smith."

I hope that analogy was a good one.

It was awful. Absolutely lowest grade nonsense.

To try and use your desperately poor analogy, it's like us telling you that we know that Jason Momoa did not slap Chris Rock at a specific time on a specific day because he wasn't there, and all you have is "but I think he was".

 

[BartholomewWest]

I think it was a good analogy myself.

When you talk, I genuinely hear "Jason Momoa doesn't have the power or the ability or the knowledge to slap Chris Rock."

Oh, yes he does!

I'm pretty sure Mr. Momoa could have roughed up Chris Rock even in the 90s, too. If he had wanted to. If even Smith managed it...

 

[junkshop]

...Please don't try to flip this logic and argue that the FBI has fewer powers than we do.

The world wide web was only four years old in 1997.
Google didn't exist then.
Wifi didn't exist then.
The iPhone didn't exist then.
The FBI definitely had less surveillance ability 28 years ago than we do now.

The things you take for granted today have not been around that long.
The march of time is a thing that you need to take into account when discussing things that happened in the past.

Also, what does the FBI have to do with Diana's death? Are you introducing a new conspiracy?

 

[BartholomewWest]

No. I am making a point. The point is this: if even a little guy can spy on you, the big guy certainly can, too!

 

[junkshop]

This is akin to saying "Will Smith managed to slap Chris Rock. Therefore, Chris Rock could easily be slapped by Jason Momoa. Cause Momoa is way bigger than Will Smith."

I hope that analogy was a good one.

I think it was a good analogy myself.

When you talk, I genuinely hear "Jason Momoa doesn't have the power or the ability or the knowledge to slap Chris Rock."

Oh, yes he does!

I'm pretty sure Mr. Momoa could have roughed up Chris Rock even in the 90s, too. If he had wanted to. If even Smith managed it...

This is utterly irrelevant bollocks. Please try to focus on the conversation at hand.

 

[BartholomewWest]

You are literally arguing that the hotel is more powerful than the government!

 

[arthwollipot]

I knew a few guys who worked at the Palace. Yes, a lot of the staff are gay. Gays love the idea of royalty. I have a couple of gay friends who took me to a pub in Hampstead, King William IV. Full of people named Justin with a lisp and claiming to be a ballet dancer. At the end of the evening they raised a toast to the Queen. I was told this was conventional.

"I don't know about you old queens down there, but this old queen up here would like a gin."

The Queen Mother, reportedly (no source, it was told to me by a gay man in the 90s).

I just can't concede this point. The government had satellites that could watch a woman's breasts from outer space....in 1970.

No they didn't.

In 1970 the US did indeed have satellites photographing everything from space...

The resolution of Landsat 1-4 (in operation from 1972 - 1993) was 60 metres per pixel for the MSS and 30 metres per pixel for the thematic mapper. Landsat 5, with the same resolution, lasted until 2013.

Landsat program - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[MarkCorrigan]

I think it was a good analogy myself.

When you talk, I genuinely hear "Jason Momoa doesn't have the power or the ability or the knowledge to slap Chris Rock."

Oh, yes he does!

I'm pretty sure Mr. Momoa could have roughed up Chris Rock even in the 90s, too. If he had wanted to. If even Smith managed it...

So now you're making up what other people are saying to you as well so you can continue to delude yourself into thinking you have a point?

Amazing. You must be one of the least intellectually honest people I've come across on here.

 

[Thermal]

No. I am making a point. The point is this: if even a little guy can spy on you, the big guy certainly can, too!

The little guy couldn't, in the way you describe. He was pulling your chain. We didn't have that kind of tech in the public on the 90s.

Did you gave a cam on your desktop in the 90s? You're probably aware that you didn't. So why do you buy the tripe your buddy was feeding you?

The government certainly could focus a surveillance effort on a specific target using their highest tech available in the 90s. They would have no reason or indeed ability to lay out dragnet cameras on random Parisian streets as the time.

 

[MarkCorrigan]

You are literally arguing that the hotel is more powerful than the government!

No, we are saying that the Government did not have cameras everywhere. I've linked to a report which details that France only started to employ CCTV cameras in 1997, and that they were only for high risk areas. I linked to it. Did you not follow my link?

 

[arthwollipot]

You are literally arguing that the hotel is more powerful than the government!

There's a difference between wiring up security cameras in a hotel and wiring up security cameras for an entire city of 2 million people covering 2.8 thousand square kilometres (urban area, source).

 

[junkshop]

You are literally arguing that the hotel is more powerful than the government!

Who are you talking to?

If you use the 'quote' or 'reply' functions, then it is easier for others to know what you are responding to.

 

[varwoche]

IIRC, the older digital imagery satellites were sold to Google Earth when the US Govt upgraded? Old Google Earth imagery shows you exactly what they could see. You could see a human, but not bosoms that were sub Dolly Parton-esque.

Not so fast. According to this documentary, the government can see you masterbate [sic] from outer space (except for Edward Snowden). It's short and I hope you enjoy it.

 

[BartholomewWest]

He told me

The little guy couldn't, in the way you describe. He was pulling your chain. We didn't have that kind of tech in the public on the 90s.

Did you gave a cam on your desktop in the 90s? You're probably aware that you didn't. So why do you buy the tripe your buddy was feeding you?

The government certainly could focus a surveillance effort on a specific target using their highest tech available in the 90s. They would have no reason or indeed ability to lay out dragnet cameras on random Parisian streets as the time.

You misunderstood something. This conversation happened decades later. Not in the 1990s.

And the general point is that if an ant can do it, an elephant can, too.

 

[BartholomewWest]

Not so fast. According to this documentary, the government can see you masterbate [sic] from outer space (except for Edward Snowden). It's short and I hope you enjoy it.

If you read the declassified material of numerous intelligence agencies, you’ll notice that there is a rule of thumb, that the most heavily funded government agencies and/or government programs, are ten years ahead of the general public at large. I won’t cite a source because there are potential legal ramifications to viewing not only declassified material but classified material as well (on what is notoriously known as: The Dark Web)

 

[Pixel42]

The resolution of Landsat 1-4 (in operation from 1972 - 1993) was 60 metres per pixel for the MSS and 30 metres per pixel for the thematic mapper. Landsat 5, with the same resolution, lasted until 2013.

Landsat program - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

When I was working at GCHQ in the 70s I saw a lot of NSA satellite imagery. It was better than what was publicly available, but nowhere near good enough to resolve individual people.

 

[Joe Random]

I still maintain that you have this backwards. If even a silly hotel had surveillance even in the kitchens and the elevator, it is inconceivable that the city didn't, too!

Even back then, you could hide a camera in the kitchen clock. Which is precisely what the Ritz did.

Years ago, when I was still in school, I actually used to be a skeptic about conspiracies. People would tell me the FBI and the NYPD could spy on you through your webcam.

I expressed disbelief. One guy retorted, "Listen, as a civilian, I could spy on you through the laptop! If I can do it, the FBI sure can!"

Looking back on it, he was probably correct.

Please don't try to flip this logic and argue that the FBI has fewer powers than we do.

At what point did you tie an onion onto your belt?

Member the good old days of USENET when you could just reply GoAT? Pepperidge farm remembers.