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Ed Does anyone here believe that Princess Diana's car crash was suspicious?

BartholomewWest said:
That's nonsense, man. You are confusing cause with effect. In my experience, they actually started with facts...and ended up with the persona later. Not the other way around.

When I was in school, people believed this. And not cause it was part of their identity or whatever.
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Oh, don't get me wrong. Not many start out primed for this. One conspiracy catches their interests, than a snowballing happens and the personality starts crystalizing.

Right after 9/11, I was about 2/3rds of the way into being a Truther. I found myself being more sympathetic to any crazy theory coming down the pike. It's jarring when you look at yourself one day and say "when did I become a loon?"
BartholomewWest said:
They would point to stuff that actually WAS sinister, like the fact that Diana had a boyfriend called James Hewitt and that Hewitt was deported to Germany.

If Charles can get you exiled, what else can he do?
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And that right there is the logical break. What Charles could or couldn't do has no relevance to what happened to Diana. But the CT guy will blr the distinction between speculation about what he thinks Charles is capable of, and actual evidence that he was involved at all.
 
Wait! Wut?

Hewitt was deported to Germany?

Oh really?

You might want to provide some evidence for that one, as I'm pretty sure that never happened.

If that's what your folk are going on...
 
BartholomewWest said:
That's nonsense, man. You are confusing cause with effect. In my experience, they actually started with facts...and ended up with the persona later. Not the other way around.

When I was in school, people believed this. And not cause it was part of their identity or whatever.

They would point to stuff that actually WAS sinister, like the fact that Diana had a boyfriend called James Hewitt and that
Hewitt was deported to Germany.

If Charles can get you exiled, what else can he do?
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So, I'm sure you have some kind of evidence for this? When was it? After all he was certainly in the UK when he appeared in Top Gear, and he was in hospital in Plymouth after his heart attack in 2017. Given Hewitt's affair ended in 1991, post 2017 seems a long time to wait... 🤔
 
Thermal said:
Oh, don't get me wrong. Not many start out primed for this. One conspiracy catches their interests, than a snowballing happens and the personality starts crystalizing.

Right after 9/11, I was about 2/3rds of the way into being a Truther. I found myself being more sympathetic to any crazy theory coming down the pike. It's jarring when you look at yourself one day and say "when did I become a loon?"

And that right there is the logical break. What Charles could or couldn't do has no relevance to what happened to Diana. But the CT guy will blr the distinction between speculation about what he thinks Charles is capable of, and actual evidence that he was involved at all.
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That is weird, cause I was actually the opposite. I started out scoffing at CTs.

People who were raised Muslim in particular believed that Diana was killed cause of her association with the Fayeds. I would argue with them. How times have changed. Now people argue with me. I look back and think "How could I have been so naive back then!?"

Actually, Charles' past behavior is relevant.
 
If you want a conspiracy around Chucky, then try how the buggery bollocks that brain-dead twerp got into Cambridge and then managed to graduate having spent a chunk of his time away at Aberystwyth.

Start with Cambridge admissions procedures in the early to mid 70s...
 
"Al" Fayed?

Y'mean the guy who managed to avoid all the rape and sexual assault allegations for decades?

If Chucky had wanted to bring him down he'll have had the Met give yer man a thorough shake down and then get him banged up in Belmarsh forever and a day. None of which happened...Why do you think that was?
 
Hewitt wrote a book about it and the book was reviewed:

www.theguardian.com

Princess and the pea-brain

Christopher Hitchens reviews Love And War
www.theguardian.com www.theguardian.com

On top of the deportation to Germany, which Diana was convinced was the work of Charles, he offers another crazy story. Her previous boyfriend was her bodyguard, a married man called Barry Manakee. An odd name. He died in a motorbike crash. She was convinced Charles was behind that, too.

Hewitt also shared how he once ate cat food to mess with Diana. What the actual hell.
 
BartholomewWest said:
Hewitt wrote a book about it and the book was reviewed:

www.theguardian.com

Princess and the pea-brain

Christopher Hitchens reviews Love And War
www.theguardian.com www.theguardian.com

On top of the deportation to Germany, which Diana was convinced was the work of Charles, he offers another crazy story. Her previous boyfriend was her bodyguard, a married man called Barry Manakee. An odd name. He died in a motorbike crash. She was convinced Charles was behind that, too.

Hewitt also shared how he once ate cat food to mess with Diana. What the actual hell.
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He wasn't deported to Germany, he was posted to Germany and given his own command. And that's according to your own source. Overseas postings are the sort of thing happens when you're in the military.
 
Mate, that does not support what you say.

Hewitt, a then serving army officer, was POSTED to Germany, where at the time there was a hefty British Army presence (I visited Munster in the early 80s and there were parts of town you did not want to visit in order to avoid aggressive, drunken squaddies), so a posting to a German base for a serving officer in a tank regiment was very, very, very normal. Hint, our military presence in Germany then included a whole heap of tanks, as the presumption was fighting a land war across the North German Plain, which needs tanks, which Hewitt commanded.

This is NOT a deportation, 'cos if it was I know a whole heap of folk who were "deported". FFS, my late father-in-law was "deported" to Germany, as he served in the Army over there.

◊◊◊◊ knows where Andy Ross was "deported" to when he served..
 
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BartholomewWest said:
That is weird, cause I was actually the opposite. I started out scoffing at CTs.

People who were raised Muslim in particular believed that Diana was killed cause of her association with the Fayeds. I would argue with them. How times have changed. Now people argue with me. I look back and think "How could I have been so naive back then!?"

Actually, Charles' past behavior is relevant.
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His past behavior may be interesting, or seemingly relevant, but only causal links with robust evidence can put together implication. "You know how guys like him are" is not meat and potatoes for assuming or even suggesting guilt.

I once had to sit in that damned defendant's seat charged with, among other things, aggravated assault (failed on proofs). Does that mean any time someone i know gets assaulted, I should be a suspect, if there is no other known connection? Those dots don't connect.
 
Judging by the reviewer's tone, I think he agrees that the royals were behind it. The exile of Hewitt, anyway.


Hewitt seemed to think it was an actual promotion, cause he's an idiot, and Diana asked him "So how come none of Camilla's relatives ever get sent to Germany?"

But that's not even the worst of it....
 
Carrot Flower King said:
Chucky was never a cavalry officer; he'd left the Navy by then.

By your line of argument a whole lot of regiments were rife with shagging each other's wives, as there were loads of British military personnel serving overseas...
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more to the point even if we accepted that his affair was the reason for the posting, he was given the command, that's a bribe, and a posting NOT deportation OR an exile.
 
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