Cont: JFK Conspiracy Theories VIII

[HSienzant]

American Thinker

May 22, 2024

A Forensic Analysis Of The X-Rays of JFK’s Skull Yields Surprising Results

By Jerome R. Corsi

We now know with forensic certainty that two frontal headshots and one shot from the rear at a low angle (not from the sixth floor of the Texas School Book Depository) killed JFK. The evidence for these conclusions comes from a new book, The Assassination of President John F. Kennedy: The Final Analysis, that I have recently published with Dr. David W. Mantik, who has a Ph.D. in physics and a medical practice extending over five decades as a radiation oncologist and who has seen the JFK autopsy skull X-rays more than anyone else.

https://www.americanthinker.com/art...of_jfk_s_skull_yields_surprising_results.html

Mantik is arguing out of both sides of his mouth. On the one hand, he claims the X-rays are fakes:

https://themantikview.org/

Based on three powerful clues from the extant autopsy X-rays at NARA, this data shows that the three skull X-rays are copies and that each one has been critically altered. One change was done quite specifically to incriminate Oswald. For further discussion, see his e-book, JFK's Head Wounds.

On the other hand, he argues the X-rays are legitimate and reveal a tangential entry wound in JFK's right temple:

https://www.americanthinker.com/art...of_jfk_s_skull_yields_surprising_results.html

Using a densitometer, Dr. Mantik measured the light coming through the X-rays millimeter-by-millimeter (with some measurements at a tenth-of-a-millimeter calibration). After analyzing the JFK right lateral autopsy [x-ray], Dr. Mantik provided forensic proof that the third and final shot hit JFK in the right temple by the ear.

If the X-rays are faked, then you can draw no legitimate conclusions from them. If the X-rays are legitimate, you can reach conclusions, but your conclusions may not be correct.

In addition, your argument (or Mantik's and Corsi's that you cite here) is that Cyril Wecht and the other qualified forensic pathologists (with over 100,000 autopsies conducted in total between all the members of the panel) who reviewed the extant autopsy materials for the House Select Committee on Assassinations (HSCA) didn't understand what they were looking at? And that the three original autopsists who had the body in front of them couldn't determine an entry wound from an exit wound? And Mantik determined this from fake X-rays?

It appears from here he will say anything as long as it sells.

For starters, you could explain how the X-rays he examined can be both legitimate and fake. Then, explain how his conclusions about what constitutes an entry wound from an exit from faked X-rays can be meaningful.

 

[HSienzant]

American Thinker

May 22, 2024

A Forensic Analysis Of The X-Rays of JFK’s Skull Yields Surprising Results

By Jerome R. Corsi

We now know with forensic certainty that two frontal headshots and one shot from the rear at a low angle (not from the sixth floor of the Texas School Book Depository) killed JFK. The evidence for these conclusions comes from a new book, The Assassination of President John F. Kennedy: The Final Analysis, that I have recently published with Dr. David W. Mantik, who has a Ph.D. in physics and a medical practice extending over five decades as a radiation oncologist and who has seen the JFK autopsy skull X-rays more than anyone else.

https://www.americanthinker.com/art...of_jfk_s_skull_yields_surprising_results.html

Mantik argues, from here:

https://themantikview.org/readmore.html

Ultimately, however, these issues must be faced honestly and responsibly. It is no longer sufficient merely to quote a lawyer turned journalist on these serious questions, nor can the matter be left to the most amateur of professions—the media.

Nor is it sufficient merely to quote a long-time conspiracy theorist on these serious questions, as you have done. Nor can the matter be left to part-time amateur sleuths quoting long-time conspiracy theorists such as Mantik.

 

[SpitfireIX]

For starters, you could explain how the X-rays he examined can be both legitimate and fake.

They're Schrödinger's X-rays.

 

[HSienzant]

They're Schrödinger's X-rays.

 

[Allen773]

Elmer L. "Sonny" Boyd of Blooming Grove, Texas, passed away peacefully on May 24,
2024, in Corsicana, Texas.

(snip)…

Sonny was the last living DPD detective who investigated the JFK assassination. His
picture appears in many historic photos.

https://www.legacy.com/us/obituaries/name/elmer-boyd-obituary?id=55189967

RIP.

 

[HSienzant]

https://www.legacy.com/us/obituaries/name/elmer-boyd-obituary?id=55189967

RIP.

Elmer Boyd's testimony before the Warren Commission staff lawyers is here:
https://www.jfk-assassination.net/russ/testimony/boyd.htm

Reference is made to a typewritten memorandum for the record prepared jointly by Boyd and Detective Richard M. Sims. That can be seen here:
https://history-matters.com/archive/jfk/wc/wcvols/wh21/html/WH_Vol21_0267b.htm

Sims' testimony is here:
https://www.jfk-assassination.net/russ/testimony/sims.htm

 

[RoboTimbo]

Sorry I'm late busting back into the party. Anything new, novel or interesting since Robert Prey got the can tied to his tail after getting waxed so many times?

 

[HSienzant]

Sorry I'm late busting back into the party. Anything new, novel or interesting since Robert Prey got the can tied to his tail after getting waxed so many times?

Nothing worth dwelling on.

 

[Hubert Cumberdale]

Hi Guys, I've been away for a while.

Can anyone point me to a rebuttal of Bonar Menninger's theory?

TIA

 

[PookieBear]

Jack Ruby died, didn't he? Whether it was months later or years later, he died. That was the point.

The Mafia had a motive to kill Kennedy. They had propelled him into the White House to begin with. They helped him rig elections. The Illinois vote was obviously rigged. In at least one case, they gave him women.

Then, he turned on them, by telling his brother to prosecute them.

But the Kennedy thing was just an example (I made that perfectly clear. )

 

[kookbreaker]

Jack Ruby died, didn't he? Whether it was months later or years later, he died. That was the point.

The Mafia had a motive to kill Kennedy. They had propelled him into the White House to begin with. They helped him rig elections. The Illinois vote was obviously rigged. In at least one case, they gave him women.

Then, he turned on them, by telling his brother to prosecute them.

But the Kennedy thing was just an example (I made that perfectly clear. )

Pookiebear, we have an entire thread dedicated to the assassination of JFK over here. I would advise you take your sidebars on that subject over there and not pollute this thread with them.

 

[turingtest]

Jack Ruby died, didn't he? Whether it was months later or years later, he died. That was the point.
The Mafia had a motive to kill Kennedy. They had propelled him into the White House to begin with. They helped him rig elections. The Illinois vote was obviously rigged. In at least one case, they gave him women.

Then, he turned on them, by telling his brother to prosecute them.

But the Kennedy thing was just an example (I made that perfectly clear. )

Ok, with that little gem, I'm beginning to get to a "not sure if serious" phase with this conversation.

 

[Jack by the hedge]

So 'they' shot Jack Ruby with cancer? Sinister. Getting like an episode of the X-files in here.

I can imagine the scene at his prison hospital bedside.
Mulder: "He's trying to speak."
Ruby: "I was hired by..."
Weeks pass.
Ruby: "... uhhh."
Scully: "Dammit. He was about to tell us."

 

[Axxman300]

So 'they' shot Jack Ruby with cancer? Sinister. Getting like an episode of the X-files in here.

I can imagine the scene at his prison hospital bedside.
Mulder: "He's trying to speak."
Ruby: "I was hired by..."
Weeks pass.
Ruby: "... uhhh."
Scully: "Dammit. He was about to tell us."

Yeah. Weird. Not like he was a life-long smoker whose business was a smoke filled nightclub full of smokers. I hear smoking is bad for you.

 

[Axxman300]

Just bumping to direct the silliness to this thread.

And by the way, Oswald acted alone. Prove me wrong.

 

[Allen773]

Just bumping to direct the silliness to this thread.

And by the way, Oswald acted alone. Prove me wrong.

I'll prove you wrong. He shot THE PRESIDENT in broad daylight! It's not like the Secret Service wouldn't have stopped him, right?

November 2011: A man with a semiautomatic rifle parks in front of the White House and fires at the building, with Sasha Obama inside and Malia Obama on her way home. A Secret Service supervisor, mistaking the shots for car backfire, orders officers to stand down. The service does not figure out that shots hit the building for four days, and only then because a housekeeper noticed broken glass. The president and first lady are infuriated, The Post reports years later.

snip:

Sept. 16, 2014: In perhaps the most chilling of the Secret Service lapses, a security contractor with a gun and an assault record gets on an elevator with the president during a trip to Atlanta. The Post, citing people familiar with the incident, reports that the contractor used his cellphone to take video of Obama and did not stop when Secret Service agents told him to. The Secret Service only learns that the man has a gun when he is fired on the spot and turns it over. Obama was not told, The Post reports.

snip:

Sept. 19, 2014: An Iraq war veteran with a knife jumps the White House fence, dashes through the North Portico doors and makes it deep inside the building, into the East Room, before he is tackled, and only then by an off-duty Secret Service agent. The Secret Service first says only that the man was apprehended after getting in the door. A congressman tells The Post that a security alarm was disabled because staff nearby found it too noisy.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/long-list-breaches-scandals-secret-service-under-obama-n215751


Ah, well. I'm sure they were much better at protecting the President back in the day.

On March 30, Reagan delivered a luncheon address to AFL–CIO representatives at the Washington Hilton. The Secret Service was very familiar with the hotel, having inspected it more than 100 times for presidential visits since the early 1970s. The Hilton was considered the safest venue in Washington because of its secure, enclosed passageway called "President's Walk", built after the 1963 assassination of John F. Kennedy. Reagan entered the building through the passageway at about 1:45 p.m., waving to a crowd of news media and citizens. The Secret Service had required him to wear a bulletproof vest for some events, but Reagan was not wearing one for the speech, because his only public exposure would be the 30 feet (9 m) between the hotel and his limousine, and the agency did not require vests for agents that day. No one saw Hinckley behaving in an unusual way. Witnesses who reported him as "fidgety" and "agitated" apparently confused Hinckley with another person that the Secret Service had been monitoring.

At 2:27 p.m., Reagan exited the hotel through "President's Walk" on Florida Avenue, where reporters waited. He left the T Street NW exit toward his waiting limousine as Hinckley waited in the crowd. The Secret Service had extensively screened those attending the president's speech, but allowed an unscreened group to stand within 15 ft (4.5 m) of him, behind a rope line. The agency uses multiple layers of protection. Local police in the outer layer briefly check people, Secret Service agents in the middle layer check for weapons and more agents form the inner layer immediately around the president. Hinckley had penetrated the first two layers.<

As several hundred people applauded Reagan, the president unexpectedly passed right in front of Hinckley. Reporters standing behind a rope barricade 20 feet (6 m) away asked questions. As Mike Putzel of the Associated Press shouted "Mr. President—" Hinckley assumed a crouch position and rapidly fired a Röhm RG-14 .22 LR blue steel revolver six times in 1.7 seconds, missing the president with all six shots.

snip:

The sixth and final bullet ricocheted off the armored side of the limousine, passed between the space of the open rear door and vehicle frame and hit the president in the left underarm. The round grazed a rib and lodged in his lung, causing it to partially collapse before stopping less than an inch (25 mm) from his heart

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Attempted_assassination_of_Ronald_Reagan

And:

Ford had moved about 150 feet (50 m) from Lincoln Street along a Capitol Park paved walkway, saw "a woman in a brightly colored dress", and stopped approximately halfway to the state Capitol People on either side of Ford wanted to shake hands with him and Ford assumed that the woman in red wanted to shake hands or talk. Twenty-six-year-old Fromme was positioned two feet (60 cm) from Ford, behind the first row of the crowd, and reached into her robe, drawing the Colt .45 pistol from her leg holster. Fromme raised her right arm towards Ford, through the front row of people, and pointed the gun at a height between Ford's knees and his waist. From Ford's perspective, he noted, "... as I stopped, I saw a hand come through the crowd in the first row, and that was the first active gesture that I saw, but in the hand there was a gun."

The pistol contained ammunition stored in a detachable magazine in the pistol's grip, but the gun did not include a round in the gun's chamber. At the time, Fromme was not aware that she needed to pull back the gun slide to insert a cartridge into the pistol's chamber. Five years later in 1980, from Federal Prison Camp, Alderson, Fromme claimed that she purposely ejected the top round from the pistol's magazine onto the floor of her P Street apartment, because she "was not determined to kill the guy."

While Fromme pointed the gun at Ford, several people heard a "metallic click" sound. As she shouted, "It wouldn't go off," Secret Service agent Larry Buendorf grabbed the gun, forced it from Fromme's hand, and brought her to the ground. On the ground, Fromme said, "it didn't go off. Can you believe it? It didn't go off." One of the Secret Service agents shouted "get down, let's go." Secret Service agents then half-dragged Ford away from Fromme towards the east entrance of the Capitol, until Ford yelled, "Put me down! Put me down!" Ford continued his walk to the California state house, entered, and then met with California governor Jerry Brown at 10:06 am for 30 minutes without mentioning the assassination attempt until they were through talking business. Ford, who later indicated that he was not scared, concluded, "I thought I'd better get on with my day's schedule."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Attempted_assassination_of_Gerald_Ford_in_Sacramento

On Monday afternoon at 3:30 p.m., after speaking to the World Affairs Council, Ford emerged from the Post Street (north) entrance of the St. Francis Hotel in Union Square, then walked toward his limousine. Before boarding the vehicle, he stopped and waved to the crowd that had gathered across the street.

Sara Jane Moore was standing in the crowd about forty feet (12 m) away from Ford when she fired two shots with her .38 Special revolver. The first shot missed Ford's head by five inches (13 cm) and passed through the wall above the doorway Ford had just walked out of. A bystander named Oliver Sipple heard the sound of the first shot and dove at Moore, grabbing her shooting arm before she pulled the trigger a second time. The second shot struck John Ludwig, a 42-year-old taxi driver standing inside the hotel, in the groin. Ludwig survived.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Attempted_assassination_of_Gerald_Ford_in_San_Francisco



Well, at least FORMER Presidents are completely safe, like when Trump was campaigning in Butler, Pennsy....oh wait, right.

 

[gypsyjackson]

It is interesting that people seem to think assassinating a US president is somehow unlikely. It feels to me that US presidents are statistically more likely than leaders from an average country to be assassinated. There have been 45 people who have been US president, of whom 4 were assassinated, another two were wounded in shootings, a third was fired upon recently, and another 13 had verifiable assassination plots against them.

Anyway, I’m going to report my own post to mark it for moving to the JFK thread.

 

[PookieBear]

Unlikely by an average schmuck, yes.

I used to know a guy who was an NYPD policeman. He once had to protect the President and be his bodyguard for the day.

They took a bazillion steps to hide his own assignment from him, until literally the last minute. Even he didn't know who he was protecting....until Obama came out to introduce himself.

 

[Jack by the hedge]

That suggests the secret service are careful to let as few people as possible who are going to get close to the president know in advance that's what will happen. Sounds like a defence against attacks out of the blue by random schmucks. Known threats or plots by enemies are something they can prepare for, but random shmucks whose entire grievance is something entirely in their own head can't be anticipated individually. Reagan wasn't shot by the KGB or even the Clintons. It wasn't part of something bigger. He was shot by a random crazy shmuck whose grievance wasn't even against Reagan.

 

[Axxman300]

The Motorcade was announced on November 16, 1963. Oswald started working at the TSBD on October 24, 1963. Oswald began stalking the motorcade route looking for prime locations that offered a good shot. On November 19, 1963 (the night before) the map of the motorcade route is published in local newspapers, and is shown on local TV News broadcasts. Tenants of the rooming house where Oswald was living reported he stopped to watch that TV segment, and that he never watched TV otherwise. On the 21st he broke routine, got a ride out to Ruth Payne's home unannounced, where his rifle was stored.

This isn't rocket science. The motorcade rolled right under his window.

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The JKF Assassination records point to a 9-11 style communications breakdown between the FBI and Secret Service about Oswald working on the motorcade route. Oswald was under active investigation for is FPFCC activities in New Orleans starting in mid-October, and the Secret Service has said that had they known someone like Oswald was in Dallas, and in the TSBD they would have tasked agents to "sit on him" during JFK's visit.