RFK Jr, vaccines, and autism

[junkshop]

This article is really long. It takes forever to read, just to warn you:

LRB · Seymour M. Hersh · The Killing of Osama bin Laden

It’s been four years since a group of US Navy Seals assassinated Osama bin Laden in a night raid on a high-walled compound in Abbottabad, Pakistan. The killing was the high point of Obama’s first term, and a major factor in his re-election. The White House still maintains that the . . .

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Hersh says this guy was just "a sacrificial lamb."

And the relevance of this to a thread about RFK jr, vaccines and autism is what, exactly?

 

[junkshop]

For heaven's sake, this is common knowledge.

Just read about it.

Judith Exner - Wikipedia

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Progress of a kind. You have cited a source, well wikipedia, but it's a start. Now, how is this relevant to this thread about 'RFK jr, vaccines and autism'?

How is a relationship that JFK is alleged to have had in 1960 relevant to his nephew's purported anti-vax opinions in 2025?

 

[PookieBear]

And the relevance of this to a thread about RFK jr, vaccines and autism is what, exactly?

Maybe you SHOULD think vaccines are ineffective or even a trick.

Not the ones for polio, goodness no. It's a great thing that polio is a thing of the past. Obviously.

Nor do they cause autism.

However, not everyone who says "Hey, I got it and got the disease anyway!" is a conspiracy nut.

 

[junkshop]

Maybe you SHOULD think vaccines are ineffective or even a trick.

Not the ones for polio, goodness no. It's a great thing that polio is a thing of the past. Obviously.

Nor do they cause autism.

However, not everyone who says "Hey, I got it and got the disease anyway!" is a conspiracy nut.

This doesn't answer the question I asked.

Please answer the question I asked.

 

[PookieBear]

This doesn't answer the question I asked.

Please answer the question I asked.

I just did!

 

[Pixel42]

Yeah, but this is different. This isn't medicine or physics or astronomy.

This is history, a different field.

Cognitive biases are built into the way our brains work. They affect how we reason about everything.

Confirmation bias is a major contributor to conspiracy theories.

 

[Pixel42]

However, not everyone who says "Hey, I got it and got the disease anyway!" is a conspiracy nut.

No, they're just ignorant about how vaccines work.

 

[junkshop]

I just did!

No, you didn't. This:

Maybe you SHOULD think vaccines are ineffective or even a trick.

Not the ones for polio, goodness no. It's a great thing that polio is a thing of the past. Obviously.

Nor do they cause autism.

However, not everyone who says "Hey, I got it and got the disease anyway!" is a conspiracy nut.

Does not in any way explain how Seymour Hersh's opinion about the killing of Osama bin Laden is relevant to a discussion about 'RFK jr, vaccines and autism'.

Please answer the question I asked.

 

[arthwollipot]

The Kennedy assassination is off-topic for this thread. You're welcome to make a new thread if you want to discuss it. I'm sure it will generate quite a bit of interest.

 

[arthwollipot]

People in positions of authority lie.

"Dudes who get arrested" also lie.

 

[PookieBear]

The Kennedy assassination is off-topic for this thread. You're welcome to make a new thread if you want to discuss it. I'm sure it will generate quite a bit of interest.

Notice how you didn't actually address the argument?

I maintain that common sense is your friend in life. At least in this situation.

So the most famous guy in the world gets shot in broad daylight. Then the killer gets shot in broad daylight. Then the killer of the killer mysteriously dies in jail.

You'd be crazy to NOT think this was the Mafia.

 

[junkshop]

Notice how you didn't actually address the argument?

I maintain that common sense is your friend in life. At least in this situation.

So the most famous guy in the world gets shot in broad daylight. Then the killer gets shot in broad daylight. Then the killer of the killer mysteriously dies in jail.

You'd be crazy to NOT think this was the Mafia.

Relevance to this thread about 'RFK jr, vaccines and autism'?

I'm trying to be nice here, but really these seemingly off-topic posts of yours should probably be reported. Explain how they are relevant, because I can't see it.

 

[Chris_Halkides]

That's pretty much the starting point for homoeopathy.

I don't see a connection between homeopathy and terrain theory. I decided to start a thread on terrain theory in Conspiracies and Conspiracy Theories, so as not to lead this thread off on a tangent. I am beginning to believe that RFK Jr is a proponent of a soft version of it.

 

[Thermal]

Relevance to this thread?

Masochism on the upswing tonight, I see.

 

[PookieBear]

Relevance to this thread

So-called conspiracies are real. Medical and political conspiracies are real.

The Tuskegee experiments were real. MKultra was real.

Not everyone who suspects a medical conspiracy is "a weirdo."

Imploring people to "just use common sense" is a good thing, at least in this context.

 

[junkshop]

So-called conspiracies are real. Medical and political conspiracies are real.

The Tuskegee experiments were real. MKultra was real.

Not everyone who suspects a medical conspiracy is "a weirdo."

Imploring people to "just use common sense" is a good thing, at least in this context.

This is your explanation for the relevancy of this post:

Notice how you didn't actually address the argument?

I maintain that common sense is your friend in life. At least in this situation.

So the most famous guy in the world gets shot in broad daylight. Then the killer gets shot in broad daylight. Then the killer of the killer mysteriously dies in jail.

You'd be crazy to NOT think this was the Mafia.

You're either even drunker than I am, or just incapable of following a conversation. Either way, I won't be asking you to explain your off-topic posts anymore. The mods can deal with them.

 

[PookieBear]

I did explain them. The government (and the medical establishment) lies. They've been caught lying time and time again.

At this point, saying "Well, the president or the CIA said so" is not an argument. Neither is "The courts said so." Not when they've been wrong so many times before.

Even saying "The medical establishment said so" is not an argument.

 

[Matthew Best]

By the same token saying "Conspiracy X" turned out to be true is not evidence for "Conspiracy Y" being true.

 

[turingtest]

Yeah, but this is different. This isn't medicine or physics or astronomy.

This is history, a different field.

Kennedy was having sex with a tramp who was also the mistress of the largest mob boss in Chicago. She served as a messenger between Kennedy and the mob boss, who was Capone's successor. She was agitating the Mob to attack Castro, as revenge for the Mafia losing their casinos in Cuba.

People assumed this was a crazy conspiracy theory, too, cause it seemed too fantastical to believe. Well, guess what. It was apparently true. The slut even produced Kennedy's numbers at the White House, IIRC. Just cause it seemed extraordinary doesn't mean it wasn't real.

Gotta say, I loved the wide-eyed "get this!" in your first post about JFK here, as if to say "gosh, did you guys know this???!!?" Even your history is just plain wrong- Jack Ruby (Wikipedia) died in January 1967, well over three years after the assassination, not "four months later," in a hospital (not jail), of a pulmonary embolism after being diagnosed with cancer. f you can't even get a basic fact like that right, something easily found in about ten seconds with Google, why should anybody trust that you know anything at all about all the other subjects you so confidently pronounce on?

 

[Thermal]

I did explain them. The government (and the medical establishment) lies. They've been caught lying time and time again.

At this point, saying "Well, the president or the CIA said so" is not an argument. Neither is "The courts said so." Not when they've been wrong so many times before.

Even saying "The medical establishment said so" is not an argument.

Gotta admit, you had me going up till this one and the Dances with Wolves posting. Well done.